Defending a stranger

[Spudmonkey]

5e1_1199622703

(hope it worked).

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5e1_1199622703

Of course, judging by the footage that we see, the surrounding public should have done alot more to prevent the guy from stabbing the woman. (I personally would have taken a running toe punt square to the guys face).....Looking at the situation from behind a PC screen, he doesn't look like a big bloke and it didn't look as if he was going to turn his attention to anyone else cus he was a few oranges short of a fruit bowl.

At what point do you have to think "I'm not steping in cus he/they will kill me"? If you witnessed a similar attack being carried out by two or more individuals would you jump in to try and defend the victim knowing full well that there is a good chance they will cut you to ribbons? At the same time feeling helpless and probably living with the consequences of your 'non action' for the rest of your life.

Just something I thought about after seeing that vid

[richy_dong]

5e1_1199622703

(hope it worked).

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5e1_1199622703

Of course, judging by the footage that we see, the surrounding public should have done alot more to prevent the guy from stabbing the woman. (I personally would have taken a running toe punt square to the guys face).....Looking at the situation from behind a PC screen, he doesn;t look like a big bloke and it didn;t look as if he was going to turn his attention to anyone else cus he was a few oranges short of a fruit bowl.

At what point do you have to think "I'm not steping in cus he/they will kill me"? If you witnessed a similar attack being carried out by two or more individuals would you jump in to try and defend the victim knowing full well that there is a good chance they will cut you to ribbons? At the same time feeling helpless and probably living with the consequences of your 'non action' for the rest of your life.

Just something I thought about after seeing that vid



Hey Spud,

As soon as I saw that happen, Running kick to the guys face. Problem solved.

This happend to me a few years ago in my local park. I was walking to my mates when 2 hugh black guys confronted me and asked for my phone, wallet etc. Being a stubbon bastard I stood my ground, only to be battered to fuck. Lucakly sum dude walking his dog followed them and called the police.



What was that guys problem anyways??

[trueatheist]

Hey Spud,

As soon as I saw that happen, Running kick to the guys face. Problem solved.

This happend to me a few years ago in my local park. I was walking to my mates when 2 hugh black guys confronted me and asked for my phone, wallet etc. Being a stubbon bastard I stood my ground, only to be battered to fuck. Lucakly sum dude walking his dog followed them and called the police.



What was that guys problem anyways??



Thats disgusting, How can you stand around and watch a women get mudered like that?

EDIT: Looks like she survived, i skipped a bit because i got the jist of what was happening.
i mean bones are easy to break and i think everybody should be trained on how to snap someones arm. The arm he had the knive in could have been snapped in a secound by a trained individual.

[richy_dong]

Thats disgusting, How can you stand around and watch a women get mudered like that?


Shes wasnt murdered i think. See the end of the video

[zwanjuul]

All i know is that fear is very effectively converted in effective measures. 4 years ago i encountered a situation where noone was doing anything in a inter junkie fight with a woman being kicked whilst on the ground, i said right, this is where it stops/starts for me. So i went there and broke the situation with other people slowly finding the courage to back me up a little, just a little. Peeps are so cowardly and selfish, but i will not stand for it anymore, i don't even count on others trying to prevent other people misery let alone my own.....SAD world.

[Spudmonkey]

Hey Spud,

As soon as I saw that happen, Running kick to the guys face. Problem solved.

This happend to me a few years ago in my local park. I was walking to my mates when 2 hugh black guys confronted me and asked for my phone, wallet etc. Being a stubbon bastard I stood my ground, only to be battered to fuck. Lucakly sum dude walking his dog followed them and called the police.



What was that guys problem anyways??


Hey RD, I've been mugged twice at knife point and the third time it happened I legged it. The first 2 times really put the shitters up me and I avoided certain areas altogether for a long time after and even carried a blade around with me fearing it would happen again.

Not sure what the blokes problem in the video was

[richy_dong]

Hey RD, I've been mugged twice at knife point and the third time it happened I legged it. The first 2 times really put the shitters up me and I avoided certain areas altogether for a long time after and even carried a blade around with me fearing it would happen again.

Not sure what the blokes problem in the video was


I cant beleive the guy with the camera. Just standing there. Shocking.

Yeah I carried a lock knife months after that happend.

[Spudmonkey]

All i know is that fear is very effectively converted in effective measures. 4 years ago i encountered a situation where noone was doing anything in a inter junkie fight with a woman being kicked whilst on the ground, i said right, this is where it stops/starts for me. So i went there and broke the situation with other people slowly finding the courage to back me up a little, just a little. Peeps are so cowardly and selfish, but i will not stand for it anymore, i don't even count on others trying to prevent other people misery let alone my own.....SAD world.


Would you jump in 'no matter what' the risks were?

[zwanjuul]

Would you jump in 'no matter what' the risks were?

well, it all depends where you find yourself in life atm, if you have kids and stuff things change, but when a real unfair battle is witnessed, especially women being involved, i get really blind to danger. Can't help it, thats the woman in me...

[Whistler1]

The worst bit is, the Twat only got 4 years for it, It happened in 2006 I think so he's due out in 2 years, All i hope is that she has a rather large revenge driven family

[repost]

Thinking about it i would probably be hesitant, even with another person or few in the area, because you have no idea if they would help you if the attacker turned on you. So the reactions here are kind of understandable

[cvnenglish]

Yes, because if that had been MY mother I would want someone to do the same, at ANY cost. There had to be a tire iron nearby what with all those cars. Woulda kissed him in the back of his cranium with it one or four times.

'Sup Spud!

[I am Samuel]

Each person must face their own fears. I have stepped in before.

[antiyou]

Notice that it is a BLACK guy who really interfered.

[zwanjuul]

Notice that it is a BLACK guy who really interfered.

so the fuck what! who cares, didn't even look at that. What is your point?

[Dawsopolis]

Human beings are miserable motherfuckers.

[playbynight]

Each person must face their own fears. I have stepped in before.

You and me both, I've always been a defender of the
defenseless. Would I have be worried about getting
knifed myself ? of course I would have, I'm no Martial Arts
expert and will never claim to be as such, I have however
gained enough knowledge and skills through taking Gojo Ryu
to deal with this type of threat.

A Louisville Slugger would have also done the job nicely me thinks.

[dj-so-low]

Where is this......where in the world are grown men afraid of a two inch blade to the arm that they would allow a woman to be stabbed repeatedly.....to the throat no less...unreal, and I don't consider that being tough I don't see it any different than risking your life to save someone from a car wreckage or burning house it's about principal and your moral obligation. The guy doing it as Spud said needed a soccer kick to the forehead and the guys who allowed it to continue deserve a kick in the ass themselves. Great post Spud very compelling.

[radgy]

well, it all depends where you find yourself in life atm, if you have kids and stuff things change, but when a real unfair battle is witnessed, especially women being involved, i get really blind to danger. Can't help it, thats the woman in me...


if i seen a guy doing that to a woman,i would have to stop it,no matter the risks.

thats the man in me

that video hurt my heart,i would love to beat the fuck out of everybody just watching,maybe not the guys who tried kicking him,they just kick like girls,but they treid

[radgy]

Where is this......where in the world are grown men afraid of a two inch blade to the arm that they would allow a woman to be stabbed repeatedly.....to the throat no less...unreal, and I don't consider that being tough I don't see it any different than risking your life to save someone from a car wreckage or burning house it's about principal and your moral obligation. The guy doing it as Spud said needed a soccer kick to the forehead and the guys who allowed it to continue deserve a kick in the ass themselves. Great post Spud very compelling.


europe somewhere holland i think

[dj-so-low]

All i know is that fear is very effectively converted in effective measures. 4 years ago i encountered a situation where noone was doing anything in a inter junkie fight with a woman being kicked whilst on the ground, i said right, this is where it stops/starts for me. So i went there and broke the situation with other people slowly finding the courage to back me up a little, just a little. Peeps are so cowardly and selfish, but i will not stand for it anymore, i don't even count on others trying to prevent other people misery let alone my own.....SAD world.

Well said my friend......much agreed...self preservation and fear pushes people to do sadistic things. I think everyone who watched deserves retubution , misserable.

[bran]

i was shocked when i saw this,i understand poeple being scared to intervene,i would be shitting meself,but i would take that knife off him and help that woman.I have intervened before,and would do it again,i aint brave or hard,just cant stand by,would feel too guilty,hesitate?for a second or two maybe,but hearing that woman and hearing women and men crying out before,i couldnt walk away.I have been stabbed,slashed,hammered,batted,etc ,but i wont leave someone in pain to suffer on their own.I hate those so called men who watched but also feel sympathy for them knowing they have to live with it.Funny thing is,if i was on me own getting mugged i would probably freeze,weird?sad story spud,what can anyone do but their best.

[Roo```]

A mate and I were walking home from a nightclub one night and we heard a woman screaming and went over to see if we could help, she was being dragged by her hair across a road on her back, she looked like a beaten up rag doll, legs limp just her arms trying to free her hair from his grip, blood all over her face, her nose was bleeding and lip split, a right mess, the man was about 40 (so was she not that you could really tell) and when we challenged him he backed down, let her go, on which she got to her feet and with him set on us, they were drunk and never got close enough to us do any harm but it taught me a lesson I've not forgotten, keep your nose out, if you're really concerned call the cops but don't get involved yourself. I've never seen anyone being stabbed though, would probably feel differently about that.

[radgy]

A mate and I were walking home from a nightclub one night and we heard a woman screaming and went over to see if we could help, she was being dragged by her hair across a road on her back, she looked like a beaten up rag doll, legs limp just her arms trying to free her hair from his grip, blood all over her face, her nose was bleeding and lip split, a right mess, the man was about 40 (so was she not that you could really tell) and when we challenged him he backed down, let her go, on which she got to her feet and with him set on us, they were drunk and never got close enough to us do any harm but it taught me a lesson I've not forgotten, keep your nose out, if you're really concerned call the cops but don't get involved yourself. I've never seen anyone being stabbed though, would probably feel differently about that.

ya roo,some woman are stupid like that,but i would still stop it.The most dangerous call a cop responds to,is domestic violence.Like bran said i would never be able to live with myself for not stoping it,but i could live with myslef if the woman was stupid enough to go back the next day,you can't intervene stupid

[sluggoo]

it all depends on the situation, in this case, the guy is so busy with the woman he is unaware as to what is behind him, it would be easy to walk up behind him and put him to sleep, I am sure there is something around you could club him with, if not, kick his head so hard he would go out. Now, if he had a gun and was threatning others around, no I probably wouldn't get into that, I would let the cops deal with it. I have a kid that needs me, selfish maybe but I don't think I would risk my life for someone and take away from my kid. I also have been jumped, once by a group of Mexicans trying to take away the case of beer I was walking out of the store with, I guess they didn't see my 3 friends sitting in the car waiting, it ended badly for them. Other time I was alone and had a gun put to my noggin and gave up my chain, my watch and the 10 dollars I had. Funny thing is, I was never really scared

[radgy]

it all depends on the situation, in this case, the guy is so busy with the woman he is unaware as to what is behind him, it would be easy to walk up behind him and put him to sleep, I am sure there is something around you could club him with, if not, kick his head so hard he would go out. Now, if he had a gun and was threatning others around, no I probably wouldn't get into that, I would let the cops deal with it. I have a kid that needs me, selfish maybe but I don't think I would risk my life for someone and take away from my kid. I also have been jumped, once by a group of Mexicans trying to take away the case of beer I was walking out of the store with, I guess they didn't see my 3 friends sitting in the car waiting, it ended badly for them. Other time I was alone and had a gun put to my noggin and gave up my chain, my watch and the 10 dollars I had. Funny thing is, I was never really scared

yes,a gun most definatly would have changed how you delt with the situation.......thats why it dont pay to take guns away from the public,cause then only the crooks have em

[BuckMeHoff]

Yep kick to the head or kick to the ribs and a stomp to the head would have solved that problem.It's sad to see fear cripple people from doing the right thing,I wonder if the woman died?

[Chucky-D]

I will go with my heart. I have jumped in and had a gun pulled on me, to no harm to me or the woman. I have intervened upon many domestic abuse situations and suffered the verbal wrath and threats of the offender, to the woman's safety. I must say that the adrenalin in all of us is made to help us do what we may not want to do under these conditions. Err, in my opinion, on the side of compassion and jump in.

In this video, I am SURE that I would have run up and field goal kicked him in the face, and I would have done anything to stop his arm thrusts.

When I was 5, I sat and watched my father throw my mother down, break her arm, and fracture her collar bone. I didn't move a muscle, just sat there at the kitchen table looking down the hall at them, listening to her screams and his cursing as he sat upon her.

That was and is the last time I will sit and watch a man attack a woman.

[radgy]

Yep kick to the head or kick to the ribs and a stomp to the head would have solved that problem.It's sad to see fear cripple people from doing the right thing,I wonder if the woman died?


no she survived,just seen that vid somehwere else....i THINK it was like 80 stab wounds,luckily the blade wasnt very big

[twright55]

Ok, that was disturbing...and I stopped watching at at 0:18. She was already covered in blood.
I just couldn't imagine just standing there watching that, much less video taping it, and doing nothing. I mean, I'm no super-hero, but at the very least I'd be looking around for a trash can or a big stick to bash the guy with.

[bran]

just thought i would say ,i dont have kids,if i did?i dont know what i would do,and as for a gun?seen em,had one pointed at me,backed off very fast,i would call the cops instead probably,still dont feel right about leaving someone in trouble on their own.Just remembered the bravest thing i ever heard,a housefire somewhere,small children,trapped inside.teenager 16/17?gets some out and goes back for the last,cant get em out,firemen reckoned he stayed when he could have got out,he stayed cradling child comforting,i cried like a baby when i read it,what a man,i dont think i would be able to do that,would like to think i could,but hell,fire.think this was in UK.

[technoboy]

id have lifted the heaviest thing i could find and hit him on the head with it,all them people standing there hitting him little kicks while stabbing a woman,wtf????

[mac02]

Wow wtf. The guys were throwing little sissy kicks. Honestly, I don't know what I'd do, but it would be a lot more than those faggots did.

[twright55]

I think the best tactic, if you have only your body to fight him with, would to be to come up behind him from about 4 or 5 o'clock and put your foot into the side of his head...preferably the jaw if possible. That would put most people out right there. That happened to me once (no knife involved...just a fight and I was the one on top and I got kicked...didn't remember much after that.)
I, too, have been involved in a fight that involved a knife. It was in El Paso, and it was Mexican hooligans (gang members? I didn't ask...) who came at a group of us (all Soldiers) coming back from a night out in Mexico (Juarez.) In fact, I've been involved in NUMEROUS such encounters, but only one involved knives. And it has never really been clear what the objective of the attackers were. One time, they got away with someone's cap, but that is all that has ever been taken. It is almost as though they are doing it for fun (hey, let's attack some drunk GIs at 3:00am in the morning...) Also, it always happened on the American side of the border...never in Mexico.
Anyway, I got put in the hospital once from such fights (not the one with the knife), and I don't know how many Mexicans I sent to the hospital (or the Witch Doctor or wherever the hell they go.)
Anyway, one of our guys got stabbed multiple times, but luckily it was a very small pocket knife...and very dull. I don't think he even needed many stitches, but they did draw blood. It was about 4 of us vs. about 6 of them. One of them had the knife. I don't think we even realized a knife was involved till it was all over and one of our guys was bleeding. So no real heroics on that night.

[PrestonBollinger]

Hmmm, wouldn't have been a problem stopping him, had i been there. I carry not 1, But 2 guns on me at all times. The rest of what i would have done will be left to your imagination... Keep in mind, That I'm not vicious person out looking for trouble. Yet, As a decent member of today's society, I feel that the guy in the video would have not been around to serve his 4 years...

[eng1024]

This is a terrible indictment on society as it is today. Only a few people tried to help only after it may have been to late is so sad. I respect the people who tried. When people think that filming is more important than stopping this type of crime our whole society suffers. This is the reason that I do not immediately crucify that guy in Texas, If more people had the courage to help the world would be a much better place. I had my experiences here in the states with such an incident an the people around helped immediately with regard to personal safety. She survived! Who really knows if this girl did!!!!

[sabran]

Spud....situations like this are very disturbung, and the reason I always carry my handgun off-duty. I can tell you this....If I saw that, the ending would have been VERY different....That guy would not be in jail, he'd be stone cold on the slab.

[-HUNTER-]

The most of you guys probally cannot understand what the people are saying, but the guy with the bat is fucked off, and actually wants the smash the fuck out of the guy, and that guy allmost gets it.

But...

This is the Netherlands, and most likely the guy who would have kicked the dude with the knife, would follow him in the next police car to the station. We dont have the self defense laws like the US and whatnot.

This doenst take away the fact that if they had hit the dude with a full kick to the face it would have been very different for sure.

But in the end the woman survives, and the dude is fucked for sure because of video evidence.

Its called not letting your feelings get over your mind. Keep your brain working.

I think I first would have checked the situation but would have reacted sooner or later. But then again, most people probally fear that the guy comes after them in first place.

I think we all would have loved to see the guy get seriously kicked to shit, but then your just as bad.

edit

For the dutch...

Did I hear somebody say, "Je bent de lul ouwe"....hhahahahaha

[mac02]

What were the camera crew saying?. Also he got only 4 years.

[-HUNTER-]

First talking you hear is one of the two guys on the phone with the police,

Yes hello Im seeing somebody getting stabbed...
Right infront of a ***** building... (****I cannot translate properly in english)

Then you hear them talk to eachother in arabic I think, which I also cannot understand...

Didnt see the dude who is sitting on his neck also getting cut by him, it that were me THEN he'd have a problem. Easy to stand up then and just thrust your foot against the back of his head. See how his nose stands up to that.

Edit

but the dude in black with the bat, is held back, otherwise this video would have been so much cooler. The knife dude would have gotten a few.

[laidbackguy1972]

I have a respect for my own mortality but I don't fear death...I would NEVER walk past ANYONE and leave them to continue being attacked, NEVER! It is of course a different story if you are just walking past a pub and two drunks are having a boxing match, lol! However if you walk past someone who truly needs help...and you choose to do NOTHING...not even call for help if you can't physically help... I consider such a person to be a very lowly person, a very despicable example of a human being would put it best!!! And besides after the adrenaline "retard strength" kicks in, it becomes quite easy actually, and remember when your kicking the guys ass to take a play out of the policemans handbook and yell stop attacking me, or "resisting" in their case...I think a good working over from time to time on the thugs is the one thing that might put some sense into them...probably not...but it doesn't hurt to be optimistic!!!

[eng1024]

How Sad for the Netherlanders!!

[bolognaskins]

I have jumped on someone for attacking a woman before. I used to be a bouncer in a boobie bar. We used to have a saying, "tackle, grapple, choke".

I must say, the people around the incident are practically allowing it to happen. What I am wrestling with for justification to NOT intervene. There is a liberal healthcare system in place in most (if not all) of the EU, so is the real fear about being stabbed with a knife covered in HIV Positive blood? Or are the standers-by too afraid?

Hard to say. I have jumped into the fray for far less. I pimp-slapped a dude years ago for pulling the pimp-stance on his girl and bitching her out in a club full of people.

Sorry, but as a man, you don't let the ladies get smacked down. Every man has a mother. What if that was YOUR mom?

[eng1024]

I have jumped on someone for attacking a woman before. I used to be a bouncer in a boobie bar. We used to have a saying, "tackle, grapple, choke".

I must say, the people around the incident are practically allowing it to happen. What I am wrestling with for justification to NOT intervene. There is a liberal healthcare system in place in most (if not all) of the EU, so is the real fear about being stabbed with a knife covered in HIV Positive blood? Or are the standers-by too afraid?

Hard to say. I have jumped into the fray for far less. I pimp-slapped a dude years ago for pulling the pimp-stance on his girl and bitching her out in a club full of people.

Sorry, but as a man, you don't let the ladies get smacked down. Every man has a mother. What if that was YOUR mom?


Damn Bologna, I never thought I would read something from you that I agreed with 100%. With out flinching I might add!! Good showing!! I hope this does not creep you out as much as it does me LOL!!!

[TermX]

That was pathetic, especially on the part of the people kicking the attacker. If you're afraid of getting stabbed and kick him, put your weight behind it and aim at his face. This kind of stuff is pathetic. But I did learn about this in psychology. They showed us a video where people got in a room to take a survey. The room was filled with smoke but since nobody mentioned it everyone just sat there while the room was being filled with smoke. Still though, this kind of stuff happening in broad daylight and people doing jack shit about it angers me.

[l8rm8e]

I see that the bystanders were frozen with fear and effectively useless. The few guys who tried to kick him away looked like non-violent people unaccustomed to fighting (looks obvious IMHO).

I also accept that in REAL LIFE, seeing a psycho stab someone so violently would cause you to think of your own safety.

I can't accept that there was no one capable of restraining him in that group of witnesses ... surely someone had boots on?

A decent kick to his (distracted) head would have stopped the attack immediately.

[trueatheist]

I see that the bystanders were frozen with fear and effectively useless. The few guys who tried to kick him away looked like non-violent people unaccustomed to fighting (looks obvious IMHO).

I also accept that in REAL LIFE, seeing a psycho stab someone so violently would cause you to think of your own safety.

I can't accept that there was no one capable of restraining him in that group of witnesses ... surely someone had boots on?

A decent kick to his (distracted) head would have stopped the attack immediately.

If i was by myself and saw that happening to a lady i can't say for sure unless it happened but i would like to think i would intervene, and would shown no mercy if i engaged the subject in combat, I'd have tried to snap his arm ,if successfull would have snapped the other one also. In this case though with all the bystanders would have defo intervened and have utter respect to the black guy that took him down, i also noticed that no one else helped pin the guy down, his arms should have been disabled by other bystanders as it looked like he was trying to grab something from his pocket. If this would have happened in russia then this lady would be dead. I think it's in germany, probaly a low crime upperclass neighbourhood judging from the reaction of the bystanders. This video is digusting, anyone bearing arms hopefully would have terminated this guys existance no warnings given.

[trueatheist]

I have jumped on someone for attacking a woman before. I used to be a bouncer in a boobie bar. We used to have a saying, "tackle, grapple, choke".

I must say, the people around the incident are practically allowing it to happen. What I am wrestling with for justification to NOT intervene. There is a liberal healthcare system in place in most (if not all) of the EU, so is the real fear about being stabbed with a knife covered in HIV Positive blood? Or are the standers-by too afraid?

Hard to say. I have jumped into the fray for far less. I pimp-slapped a dude years ago for pulling the pimp-stance on his girl and bitching her out in a club full of people.

Sorry, but as a man, you don't let the ladies get smacked down. Every man has a mother. What if that was YOUR mom?

I'd say they where shocked by what they where seeing and didn't know how to react effectively, at least they where trying though

[Tin_Tin]

Now that is fucked up, I'm sure I speak for all here when I say who wouldn't intervene.
That piece of shit has no standing in this world, should be eradicated from our society!

Mental health issue or not why does an innocent 3rd party have to suffer to the likes of scum like this..