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Aquina1300 12-17-2014 12:03 AM

Islam's Downfall
 
This thread isn't in the religion section for a reason. I don't really care about theist/atheist debate. It's a debate for mouth breathers and one level thinkers.

EDIT: I mean the people who obsess on it, not the regular contributors who read it and make valid points. I, in no way, meant to disparage sound, well reasoned opinions. I meant the religious crap spewed forth from the ignorati and the hate spewed forth by the militantly atheists who can't abide by the fact that someone doesn't totally agree with them about religion being "false", therefore, wrong, therefore evil ideology. Excuse me if I offended those who can actually debate like adults, I think you know who you are.

I am more interested in the following.

There's been plenty of people since the Sydney hostage atrocity saying such and such is going to be the downfall of Islam. The problem is, I don't see a single indication that Islam is headed for a downfall. I see quite the opposite. ISIS is more of threat than Al Quaeda, has more global appeal and is the first terrorist organization to actually create it's own terrorist nation. I understand we don't want to legitimize ISIS with "nationhood" but it is and hiding that fact is counter productive. Furthermore, Islam is gaining adherents everywhere in the world simply because of it's high birthrate and it's ability to pull in a bunch of wingnuts who exist in the margins of society. The concessions being made for Islam, which is actually a tiny minority in some developed nations, is almost absurd given the larger and more peaceful minority groups that exist in those same developed nations. I certainly don't see a downfall of Islam anytime soon. What I do see, is the gutting out of "western" civilization and the rise of Islam in it's ashes.

seanjo 12-17-2014 12:09 AM

Of course it's not going to be the downfall of Islam, even the murder of those Pakistani kids won't dent the zealousness of the followers...but, Islam is divided by sects, so those not in the particular sect committing an atrocity will cry and weep, those in the same sect will say it's gods will.

Velhalla 12-17-2014 12:12 AM

Dont worry AQ, Pashtunwali is more powerful than Islam.

Aquina1300 12-17-2014 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by seanjo (Post 2101629)
Of course it's not going to be the downfall of Islam, even the murder of those Pakistani kids won't dent the zealousness of the followers...but, Islam is divided by sects, so those not in the particular sect committing an atrocity will cry and weep, those in the same sect will say it's gods will.

Every major religion is divided by sects. The thing is, those sects have a tendency to unite together against anything unIslamic. I think people in the "west" think, the internal divisions of Islam are much more significant than they actually are. Sydney's terrorist nutjob was a Shia yet he was asking for a Wahabbi Sunni inspired flag. K, we can all laugh and say, he was a dummy because he didn't even know his own Shia faith, but I'm guessing he did and thought Aussies were the bigger problem.

Aquina1300 12-17-2014 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Velhalla (Post 2101632)
Dont worry AQ, Pashtunwali is more powerful than Islam.

If a king is seeking to kill a deer that runs into a nomad's tent, it is. I'm not so sure it's strong enough to change the brutality of Islam to something more constructive and "Enlightened."

Aside: I'm not even sure the Age of Enlightenment of Europe was really enlightenment. That's the age that ushered in chattel slavery based on race and birthed the exploitive colonialism by Europe of most of the known world. Which may be one of the most significant contributing factors to why we're dealing with the global craziness of modern Islam today.

Winterz 12-17-2014 12:32 AM

When our servicemen are forced to treat terrorists in interrogations with softer and softer ways (now they can't even shout at them apparently) we are the ones weakening. Obama administration isn't doing anything to deal with the islamization problem within the US whereas the rest of the world is already hitting their recruitment cells and funding organizations. But even so, weak leadership such as France's and the UK's isn't getting us nowhere in the Islam department.

And the media and their beloved PC keep trying to dissuade the viewers. In this, LL can indeed by very enlightening. We see the real brutality in videos featuring islamic acts. Most of which we'll never see the media reporting.

Aquina1300 12-17-2014 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Winterz (Post 2101641)
When our servicemen are forced to treat terrorists in interrogations with softer and softer ways (now they can't even shout at them apparently) we are the ones weakening. Obama administration isn't doing anything to deal with the islamization problem within the US whereas the rest of the world is already hitting their recruitment cells and funding organizations. But even so, weak leadership such as France's and the UK's isn't getting us nowhere in the Islam department.

And the media and their beloved PC keep trying to dissuade the viewers. In this, LL can indeed by very enlightening. We see the real brutality in videos featuring islamic acts. Most of which we'll never see the media reporting.

To be honest, it's going to be quite sometime before America really has to confront an Islamization problem. Most Arabs in the USA are Christians and most Muslims in the USA are descendants from black slaves who converted to Islam in the latter part of the 20th century for race based reasons. America's other minority populations are a lot bigger and a lot more vocal. There's more Jews in the USA than there are Muslims by three times as much. That being said, unless there's a cogent ideology that can survive, Islam seems to be the way the world is going. I have yet to see one geographic area in this world where Islam is retreating rather than gaining political control and growing in numbers.

Velhalla 12-17-2014 06:08 AM

So do we submit to Islam since fighting terrorism creates more terrorists or do we just annihilate the fuckers in all out blitzkrieg?

Velhalla 12-17-2014 06:21 AM

I'm going to create a nomad army. They will wear pointy hats that represent fire and they will scorch the Earth in their wake. If a warrior dies he will go to Valhalla, Hall of the Hell hats and raid the terrorists stealing their 72 virgins. AQ order will be restored in the Heavens and the sons of god will be victorious.

Velhalla 12-17-2014 06:27 AM

I Velhalla, Great Hell Hat, vow to to crush my enemies, see them driven before me and hear the lamentation of the women. When my enemies are vanquished all will know the son of god.


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