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KittySpit 10-24-2012 02:43 AM

Are Vegetarians Hypocrites?
 
I don't think there is any animal on the planet that doesn't require the life of some other life form to be sacrificed for it's continued survival.

Obviously I believe plants and fungi are forms of life as well. They have cellular activity, they grow and die, they're just not as complex as animal life.

So vegetarians are just as guilty of mass taking of life for sustenance as any meat eating person.

Velhalla 10-24-2012 03:26 AM

Back in the day of small farms there were more rabbits, pheasants and wildlife, parts of the farm had to be kept in grass to feed horses and cattle, in general there were many species on the land. With modern agriculture you have one crop for miles and miles with no biodiversity, grass is plowed up by tractors the soil left bare and lifeless much of the topsoil blowing away with the wind. Vegetarians are guilty of the destruction of whole ecosystems.Livestock can be kept in natural ecosystems without as much impact as vegetable crops.

Tinbuk3 10-24-2012 03:36 AM

Think I heard at one time they were even used to pay taxes.
Now its used to feed armys.

Go vedgie ...

Assholio420 10-24-2012 03:42 PM

Well that's commercial crops, a vegetarian household crop would be much more diverse, and would also include animals, not for eating, but milk for cheese and butter could be goat or cow,

Kristen213 10-24-2012 04:05 PM

Almost 70% of grain crops grown go to feed livestock and could feed millions or more people. Overgrazing of livestock and deforestation caused by meat production are well documented problems. As well as methane, nitrous oxide and carbon dioxide emissions that come from livestock which are major pollutors to the environment.

Meat production, factory farming also uses far more water resources than production of grain. If we go back to a time when we were genuine hunters and gatherers maybe you can say that eating meat was better for the environment, but in our modern age with factory farming you'd have to be dreaming.

And who isn't a hypocrite? It's all about harm reduction.

Velhalla 10-24-2012 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristen213 (Post 1658993)
Almost 70% of grain crops grown go to feed livestock and could feed millions or more people. Overgrazing of livestock and deforestation caused by meat production are well documented problems. As well as methane, nitrous oxide and carbon dioxide emissions that come from livestock which are major pollutors to the environment.

Meat production, factory farming also uses far more water resources than production of grain. If we go back to a time when we were genuine hunters and gatherers maybe you can say that eating meat was better for the environment, but in our modern age with factory farming you'd have to be dreaming.

And who isn't a hypocrite? It's all about harm reduction.

Eating grain damages health, the ancient Aryan skeletons that have been found have no cavities and have all their teeth. Meat eating produces a superior human body. Cattle dont even need grain in their diets this is part of the fattening up process that has fattened Americans.Yes in Brazil they cut down rainforest to create grassland for cattle, just stay away from South American beef.

l8rm8e 10-24-2012 04:54 PM

We are carnivores, but have the technology/wealth to live as herbivores.

Considering that country and western music exists ... I think we should allow vegetarians to exist too.

It's personal choice.

I choose Porterhouse Steak ... sorry cows.

dan123 10-24-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by l8rm8e (Post 1659023)
We are carnivores, but have the technology/wealth to live as herbivores.

Considering that country and western music exists ... I think we should allow vegetarians to exist too.

It's personal choice.

I choose Porterhouse Steak ... sorry cows.

Indeed. I love veg but you cannot beat, in order of preference, pig, rabbit, deer, lamb, cow, chicken, other dead stuff. I'd probably eat me if I hadn't made myself toxic over the years.

Kristen213 10-24-2012 05:50 PM

Many Indians have been vegetarian for thousands of years and they can kick your ass at calculus, maybe not beat you at armwrestling. I'll stick with the bison, deer, giraffes, elephants, rabbits and all the other amazing herbivores. Although I actually had some BBQ beef this past weekend, for the first time in years. It was on a ranch and there were a lot of cattle ranchers there. When in Rome. ;)

But that will be it until the next big BBQ Hoedown party for me. I love eating my veggies.

Velhalla 10-24-2012 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristen213 (Post 1659074)
Many Indians have been vegetarian for thousands of years and they can kick your ass at calculus, maybe not beat you at armwrestling. I'll stick with the bison, deer, giraffes, elephants, rabbits and all the other amazing herbivores. Although I actually had some BBQ beef this past weekend, for the first time in years. It was on a ranch and there were a lot of cattle ranchers there. When in Rome. ;)

But that will be it until the next big BBQ Hoedown party for me. I love eating my veggies.

How many thousands of years? The proto Indo-Europeans had been meat eaters for 20,000 years. Giant catfish caught in the Volga in Russia, Donets, Dnieper and Bug rivers in Ukraine made up 70% of their meat intake while horses and deer made up the rest, after they were introduced to cattle by Afro-Asiatic tribes making their way into Europe they quickly became cattle worshipers. Fermented milk(kefir) beef and horse meat then became their mainstay as they moved off the rivers and into the steppes.BTW Veles(Vala) the god of the underworld was the god of cattle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans


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