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Old 03-15-2017, 06:50 PM   #237
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Default It is a good argument and of real value for a Creator.

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Originally Posted by Sportster View Post
"The impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for the existence of God; but whether this is an argument of real value, I have never been able to decide."
Charles Darwin
Again, the "Religion vs Darwinism" debate is just a false one.
Why?
Because the idea that "everything just arose through chance alone" is patently absurd.

It is a good argument and of real value for a Creator that's purposeful and non-random.
"God" has many definitions but the one that makes the most sense is that "God" is just
the Cosmos as a unified Whole, itself, and that it is the Creator. Darwin himself had not
thought of that but he also didn't know what we do know now or about Cosmic Evolution.
See:
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~ejchais...cs/splash.html
and:
http://www.westernspring.co.uk/god-a-work-in-progress/
and:
http://www.westernspring.co.uk/the-n...-new-religion/
See also:
By Max Musson
20th March 2013 at 8:36 am -
"One of the first lessons of instruction that I received regarding the Christian religion was that ‘God is not, as many imagine, some grand old man sitting on a cloud looking down over us, but that he is all-seeing, all-knowing, and most importantly, all around us and everywhere at once”. In other words that lesson, which I received at the tender age of five, was that the Christian God is ‘immanent’.

Definition of ‘Immanent’: Naturally part of something; existing throughout and within something; inherent; integral; intrinsic; indwelling; existing within and throughout the mind and the world; dwelling within and throughout all things, all time, etc.

Within Cosmotheism, ‘God’ and the ‘Cosmos’ are seen as one and the same, and as with enlightened Christianity, God is not regarded as that ‘grand old man’ sitting on a cloud, but as a ‘spirit’ that is immanent.

Where Cosmotheism differs from Christianity as a theology is that while Christians believe without a shred of verifiable evidence to support the assumption, that ‘God’ is a conscious entity, Cosmotheism asserts that just like the Cosmos, ‘God’ is an unconscious developing entity. Furthermore, where Christians believe that God has always been fully formed and complete and that the world in which we live is his creation, Cosmotheists recognise that when we search for ‘God’ and a meaning in life, what we always find is the physical universe and a Cosmos that is unconsciously evolving towards something, and we therefore deduce that together with the Cosmos (in that they are one and the same), ‘God’ is as yet incomplete and is similarly evolving towards a final and as yet undetermined absolute state.

Another fundamental difference between Christianity and Cosmotheism, is that while Christians adopt an ‘infantile’ attitude, seeking the comfort of a child that ‘God’, their father is looking over them and will always ‘make things better’, regardless of what goes wrong, Cosmotheists recognize that the Cosmos, and therefore by implication, ‘God’, acts immanently and only acts consciously through us and the consciousness that we have evolved.

When we seek comfort and hope therefore, we should not pray to some ‘grand old man’ sitting on a cloud, like a child writing to Father Christmas. Instead, we should as adults turn to those earthly manifestations of His as yet imperfect consciousness with whom we share the same evolutionary path, i.e. the people of our race and nation with whom we have communion, and take comfort in their warmth and inspiration."

And lastly, but not least, also see this:
http://whitebiocentrism.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6

Last edited by Paul Parnitzke; 05-01-2017 at 08:43 PM. Reason: Added links.
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