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Old 04-16-2012, 05:21 PM   #11
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I never started. Unless you count Santa and the three kings, but then I grew up. Come to think of it, I don't remember ever believing in any of that either.
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Old 04-16-2012, 05:26 PM   #12
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There was a lot of factors, but the icing on my athiest cake was when my mom's (she'd passed like the month before) pastor, told me if I wanted to have a nervous breakdown and kill myself, to do it during normal business hours and to not call him at 1 in the morning ever again, and then he proceeded to bitch me out some more the next day. We'd been going to that church for like 10 years. And for the record, I didn't call him or wanted to talk to him. My step-dad did cuz he didn't want to deal with me either. Fuckin assholes!
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:22 PM   #13
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Never started either, gave it a good coat of thinking about though.
(Came to the logical conclusion there's something fishy about gods / religions.)
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:37 AM   #14
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Still believe. Have engaged in years of critical analysis and studies, and God always seems to come out on top.
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:45 AM   #15
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Sources?
The bible doesn't count

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Still believe. Have engaged in years of critical analysis and studies, and God always seems to come out on top.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:31 AM   #16
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The bible doesn't count
Hundreds of books from all ends of the religious and irreligious spectrum, systematic theologies, lectures, debates, and coursework. I started out from a much more critical perspective, and was steeped in liberal "theological" orientation. (I put that in quotes to denote the fact that my childhood ministers publicly admitted not only doubts, but direct criticism of the theology I now adhere to. I attended churches in about a dozen different traditions before settling on Reformed Presbyterian expression as being a more comprehensive and accurate exposition of faith for me -- sufficiently academic to satisfy my academic side, and sufficiently cognizant of emotional spiritual realities to speak to the quiet places of the soul. I recognize that others respond better to different manifestations of faith, so I'm not an ardent denominationalist, although I believe that there are better and lesser theological systems offered for peoples understanding. And some are plainly wrong.

I have a great deal of respect for those who have genuinely examined faith and found it lacking, but fear they are still missing a critical piece of the puzzle. Respectful disagreement is good, even whenone of us must necessarily be wrong. Of course, on LiveLeak I reserve the right to make snarky comments designed to tweak a response, or just irritate them for the fun of it, but that's just LL.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:32 AM   #17
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The bible doesn't count
Oh, by the way, the Bible DOES count.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:53 AM   #18
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Oh, by the way, the Bible DOES count.
Count for what? An historical perspective? I don't think so. Simple unsubstantiated metaphor, at best. Start with the historical Jesus and show me what you got........
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I'm still waiting for the sources.
Where is the proof that jesus even existed?
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:51 AM   #20
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Hundreds of books from all ends of the religious and irreligious spectrum, systematic theologies, lectures, debates, and coursework. I started out from a much more critical perspective, and was steeped in liberal "theological" orientation. (I put that in quotes to denote the fact that my childhood ministers publicly admitted not only doubts, but direct criticism of the theology I now adhere to. I attended churches in about a dozen different traditions before settling on Reformed Presbyterian expression as being a more comprehensive and accurate exposition of faith for me -- sufficiently academic to satisfy my academic side, and sufficiently cognizant of emotional spiritual realities to speak to the quiet places of the soul. I recognize that others respond better to different manifestations of faith, so I'm not an ardent denominationalist, although I believe that there are better and lesser theological systems offered for peoples understanding. And some are plainly wrong.

I have a great deal of respect for those who have genuinely examined faith and found it lacking, but fear they are still missing a critical piece of the puzzle. Respectful disagreement is good, even whenone of us must necessarily be wrong. Of course, on LiveLeak I reserve the right to make snarky comments designed to tweak a response, or just irritate them for the fun of it, but that's just LL.

I can't help but feel that sounds nothing like proof (of any kind) and
far more like you going far out of your way trying to persuade yourself
and / or having other persuade you that a god exists / and which god.

Maybe you found the 'critical piece of the puzzle' because you were so
deeply determined that it was there for you to find in the first place?...

I guess there is little point in saying so and maybe you'll think I'm trying
to insult you some way, but I'm not.
What triggered this 'quest' & when?
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