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Old 04-30-2012, 01:11 AM   #1
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Default The wars of Afghanistan

I'm now reading a book called Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001.

It tells the story of how Afghanistan started off as fighting against the Soviets in the 1980's and ended up sheltering Al Queda etc. after 9/11. The book doesn't cover the time period after 9/11 but goes into considerable detail for the 1980 - 2001 period.

Interesting how so many figures that were supported by the US in the Afghan - Soviet war have since popped up as terrorists or supporters of terrorism. And how USA thought it got a great 'deal' by suplying the Afghan Mujahadeen with Stingers, sniper rifles, plastic explosives, etc. (that could all be used in terror attacks against civilians). It was a disaster in the making.

The Afghanistan vs. Soviet Union war was a really cruel one, hundreds of thousands died, lots of torture and cruelty from both sides.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:52 PM   #2
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I'm now reading a book called Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001.

It tells the story of how Afghanistan started off as fighting against the Soviets in the 1980's and ended up sheltering Al Queda etc. after 9/11. The book doesn't cover the time period after 9/11 but goes into considerable detail for the 1980 - 2001 period.

Interesting how so many figures that were supported by the US in the Afghan - Soviet war have since popped up as terrorists or supporters of terrorism. And how USA thought it got a great 'deal' by suplying the Afghan Mujahadeen with Stingers, sniper rifles, plastic explosives, etc. (that could all be used in terror attacks against civilians). It was a disaster in the making.

The Afghanistan vs. Soviet Union war was a really cruel one, hundreds of thousands died, lots of torture and cruelty from both sides.

yup waste of good amo.....should have let the russians have their way with them
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:31 PM   #3
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yup waste of good amo.....should have let the russians have their way with them
No way, the last thing we needed was allowing the Russians to conquer even more of the middle east.
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:59 PM   #4
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No way, the last thing we needed was allowing the Russians to conquer even more of the middle east.
You're saying it was all worth it?
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You're saying it was all worth it?
No, I am saying it was imperative to stop the Soviet Union's expansion. I am not claiming all the right choices were made, nor am I saying that I am pleased with the results. The only exception being with the new Russia, while I see some bad habits that scream out Soviets / KGB clinging to life inside of Russia, the country overall is much more acceptable and less threatening.
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more of the middle east,what other places did the conquer?let em have it...whole place is a shit hole
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:36 AM   #7
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more of the middle east,what other places did the conquer?let em have it...whole place is a shit hole
The land and resources aren't the part that makes them a shithole, it's the repressive cultures. The Soviets showed no interest in the people considering how many they killed. The Soviets would have been a far greater threat to the USA if it could have added billions of tons of raw resources which the middle east contains.
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:20 AM   #8
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The land and resources aren't the part that makes them a shithole, it's the repressive cultures. The Soviets showed no interest in the people considering how many they killed. The Soviets would have been a far greater threat to the USA if it could have added billions of tons of raw resources which the middle east contains.
Dunno.

Soviet Union losing the Afghanistan war was closely followed by the dissolution of Soviet Union as a nation. The Americans didn't know this, they didn't expect it to happen as a result of the Afghanistan war or closely after it. The Afghan Muj's naturally thought that they 'conquered the Soviets' etc. which was pretty much bs.

Soviet Union was collapsing by that point for many reasons, the war being one of them. The end of SU in the way it happened was a huge disaster in many ways. The theft or swindling of the SU weapon arsenals in Ukraine and elsewhere is described as the biggest theft/heist of the 20th century. Billions and billions worth of Soviet weapons was taken by western and ex-Soviet weapons dealers and sold to Africa, Middle East, etc.

And you know a 100 billion worth of AK's and AK rounds is a whole lotta AK's and AK rounds.

Not funny though when you know how much damage all that war metal has since done in the world and will do in the future. A Soviet made AK is a robust weapon, unless destroyed it will be in killing condition 100 years from now, no problem.

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Old 05-01-2012, 08:31 AM   #9
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You should read 'Veil' by Bob Woodward. It's a good read, albeit a bit dry. Very informative.
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You should read 'Veil' by Bob Woodward. It's a good read, albeit a bit dry. Very informative.
Gonna check it out, thanks.

This is a long book though and I'm reading with thought, as they say so gonna take some time with this one.
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