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Old 06-22-2010, 05:51 AM   #111
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assault rifles should be passed out like candy, like switzerland

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Old 06-22-2010, 07:52 AM   #112
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I'll have to say as a gun owner no they shouldnt. Make the laws stricter to aquire them. When you say assualt riffles maybe the noobs think of full auto. Without a class III weapons licsense you could never own one. Class III is Mitlitary, Dealer, or Police. To get one takes 6-12 month hella backround checks (federal, loacal and state), permits and alot of cash. Normal people just dont buy them. I own a few, and I hate to say it but all classify not as a AR, but as a rifle. I have a SR 556, and a SKS. Its not about weapon its about who owns them. They shouldnt be banned but laws should make it harder to aquire. Here in Arizona you can be 18 to own and carry. We have a private sale law that means anyone thats not a felon can buy a hand gun, Rifle, or really anything (as you would say AR) with no background check. Your 18, its yours. Its not the mature guns owners fault, its the douche bag fuck ups that ruin it all for us. Its our right to bare arms, take that away would make America less American.
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Old 08-31-2010, 04:41 AM   #113
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There is no way that you can justify owning a fully automatic weapon. Shotguns, rifles and pistols are all perfectly fine and within your constitutional rights to own, but why would you need an automatic weapon for? Hunting deer? Defending your home?

The 2nd amendment was written in a time where the guns they had were quite primitive. I guarantee you that if you asked them today if they thought every day citizens should be able to own weapons of war, they would definitely say no. It's just common sense.
The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting or sport shooting. It is about enabling the general public to participate in open warfare as armed militia, especially in defense of their rights fighting against their own government if need be. The arms which would be appropriate to that purpose include military style small arms. Times may have changed, but people and their government's tendencies haven't changed a bit. There will always be criminals, tyrants, and guns. The question is only: who will have them?

The fact that a vanishingly small number of incidents, accidents and to date ZERO crimes have involved legally owned automatic weapons (since the Gun Control Act of 1968) indicates that observing the 2nd Amendment restriction placed on Federal, State, and local governments "infringement" of individual firearms ownership does not pose a threat to public safety. More Americans lose their lives to medical malpractice yearly than to gun crime in total. More law enforcement officers are killed with their own guns than by legally owned guns in the hands of private citizens.

"Common sense" ought to survive the test of factual analysis, and banning private ownership of military style small arms as it exists today does not pass that test. Mexico, Venezuela, Columbia, and Brazil all have such bans, and their gun crime rates are horrendous. Criminals have no problems getting fully automatic arms in those countries, and they terrorize the rest of society because the law abiding citizens are prohibited from owning anything made for blowing people---in this case, criminals---away. Switzerland has no such gun crime problems, even though every Swiss reservist is required to keep his fully automatic assault rifle at home along with service ammunition. Guns aren't the problem, people can be, and THAT'S JUST A COMMON SENSE FACT!
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Old 05-07-2011, 08:00 PM   #114
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The 2nd amendment was written in a time where the guns they had were quite primitive. I guarantee you that if you asked them today if they thought every day citizens should be able to own weapons of war, they would definitely say no. It's just common sense.
This just shows how much you know about the founding of the US Government and the US Constitution, very little.

The US government was not supposed to have a standing army as we do today. The states were supposed to form armies as needed from trained militia men. Congress was only to appoint officers and set standards for training. Militia men were to keep and use their own weapons of war at home for personal, community, state, and national defense. The 2nd amendment protects the citizens right to all small arms.
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Old 11-29-2011, 03:29 AM   #115
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There is no way that you can justify owning a fully automatic weapon. Shotguns, rifles and pistols are all perfectly fine and within your constitutional rights to own, but why would you need an automatic weapon for? Hunting deer? Defending your home?

The 2nd amendment was written in a time where the guns they had were quite primitive. I guarantee you that if you asked them today if they thought every day citizens should be able to own weapons of war, they would definitely say no. It's just common sense.
If the 2nd Amendment was recognized to it's fullest extent much like the 1st, you would be REQUIRED to own an "assault rifle." The US Bill of Rights are limitations placed on government, not the people. They are the natural rights of the citizenry recognized by government. Not mere privileges granted and specified not to be infringed upon.
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:35 PM   #116
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There is nothing wrong with law abiding citizens owning firearms.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:09 PM   #117
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There is no way that you can justify owning a fully automatic weapon. Shotguns, rifles and pistols are all perfectly fine and within your constitutional rights to own, but why would you need an automatic weapon for? Hunting deer? Defending your home?

The 2nd amendment was written in a time where the guns they had were quite primitive. I guarantee you that if you asked them today if they thought every day citizens should be able to own weapons of war, they would definitely say no. It's just common sense.


As for your post you are completely ignrorant you have no idea of what goes on in this world. Are you even a citizen of the U.S. We will never give up our rights. You know very little of this world and the freedoms the United States has. We care about our citizens and people of this world. You made a post that just set your intelegence level back atleast a thousand years. The largest attacks against the U.S. were not made with so called guns the weapons of war. Unlock your door and walk outside of your apartment you have been hiding in and see the world.
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Old 05-05-2012, 02:29 AM   #118
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then look at Australia , banned semi autos here , every crook and islamist has em though

when you take guns off the law abiding the illegal take over , there was no home invasion when the average house has a .22 and a shotgun or 303. it did not happen , but they take away the guns and then the criminals outgun everyone else and take over

sounds good , but in reality it dont work

its a trap with no way out

once they take your guns your defenceless ...

and there'll be someone who did not obey the law who is ready to take advantage of your defencelessness ..
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:03 AM   #119
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Lots of miss-information in this thread.

The federal government does not ban any type of firearm, this includes machine guns, silencers, sawed off shotguns and destructive devices (rockets, explosives, rifles greater than 1/2" bore etc). These are called title 2 firearms while pistols, shotguns and rifles are called title 1 firearms.

A license is required to import, manufacture or deal in them as a business, but it not required to simply make or possess as a hobby. The license is called the Federal Firearms License (FFL) and those that involve title 2 firearms also pay the Special Occupational Tax, class 1 to import, class 2 to manufacture and class 3 to deal.

A license is not needed to own, buy, sell or make them; except for machine guns. As an unlicensed individual all I have to do is submit the ATF form 4 to buy one or the ATF form 1 to make one. This involves filling out the form, getting the local sheriff to sign it and sending it in to the ATF along with a form attesting to my legal residence, two finger print cards, two passport photos and a check for $200. Approval is a routine matter and never denied as long as the forms are filled out correctly, but it takes 4-6 months for approval these days.

Resident aliens can own these firearms also. You must be 18 to buy or make one of these firearms, but at least 21 to have one transferred to you from a licensed dealer.

It is extremely rare that any registered title 2 firearm is used by the legal owner to commit any kind of violent crime. Most crimes associated with unregistered silencers, short barreled shotguns and machine guns are simple possession that do not involve violence.

Some state place additional controls on these firearms that range from requiring registration with the BATFE, restricting them to police, military and dealers or outright bans. Most states do not ban them completely.

Short barreled rifles (barrel <16") and short barreled shotguns (barrel <18") are usually just as suitable for sporting purposes as their full sized counterparts. Silencers are a valuable aid to reducing noise near shooting areas benefiting the shooters and bystanders alike.

I make silencers as a hobby and know first hand how well they work on anything from the small 22 rim fire rifles to high power 388 magnum rifles.

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when they are outlawed, only the outlaws will own them...
Ahhh so that's the justification. If we outlaw rocket launchers, only outlaws will own them. Tanks, attack helicopters, nukes etc. not buying that argument.
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