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Old 05-10-2012, 06:14 AM   #11
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It looks like he hit the mountain that being said in the background it looks like another plane hit that mountain
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Old 05-10-2012, 11:47 AM   #12
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Could be just a hotshot pilot showing off something he wasn't capable of doing ... I'm thinking of the A-300 demo being low flown slow into a stand of trees or the asshole that pushed a B-52 beyond what it was capable of to impress some family members watching ... bam ...
Not impossible but too early to say.

I think you meant the A-320 crashed during an Air France demo flight, but that had nothing to do with showing off. Agreed on the B-52 though.

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No survivors found after Russian plane crashes in Indonesia

(Reuters) - A rescue team found no survivors but several bodies on Thursday when it arrived at the wreckage of a Russian plane that crashed into an Indonesian mountain during an exhibition flight with 45 people on board.

Russia's first all-new passenger jet since the fall of the Soviet Union, a Superjet 100 aircraft, went missing on Wednesday about 40 miles south of Jakarta.

It was carrying Indonesians, including journalists and businessmen, eight Russians, including embassy officials, pilots and technicians, two Italians, one French citizen and one American, said Vladimir Prisyazhnyuk, the head of Sukhoi Civil Aircraft.

"We haven't found survivors," Gagah Prakoso, spokesman of the search and rescue team, told Indonesia's Metro TV.

Radio contact with the aircraft was lost at about 0800 GMT on Wednesday after it descended to 6,000 feet near Mount Salak, which rises to 7,254 feet above sea level, a rescue official said.

A search resumed at dawn on Thursday and a rescue helicopter later spotted debris on the side of the dormant Mount Salak volcano, sending multiple teams on a trek across steep and heavily forested terrain to reach the site.

A picture taken from the helicopter appeared to show that the plane hit the top of an almost vertical wall of rock. Small pieces of white debris could be seen scattered down an exposed stretch of cliff.

"The airplane crashed at the edge of Salak mountain ... An investigation must be done immediately and thoroughly," President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono told a news conference.

AIRCRAFT FOR EXPORT

Sukhoi's chief civil test pilot, Alexander Yablontsev, and his co-pilot, Alexander Kochetkov, flew the plane, Superjet International, the Italian-led venture responsible for marketing the plane to the West, said in a statement on its website.

Yablontsev had accumulated 10,000 flight hours and commanded the Superjet on its maiden flight in 2008.

The aircraft made two demonstration flights on Wednesday.

It returned to Halim Perdanakusuma airport, east of Jakarta, after the first flight where some people got off because it was the time for Muslim prayers and then got left behind, according to Sunaryo. Others who had not planned to fly got on board.

The crash came 45 years after a Dutch-built Fokker F-27 flew into a hill in the Philippines on a promotional sortie due to probable pilot error, said the Flight Safety Foundation.

"There have been losses on demonstration flights and they are not generally the fault of the airplane. But without more information it is impossible to know the circumstances here," said Paul Hayes, safety director at aviation consultancy Ascend.

Sukhoi, which has orders for 170 planes worldwide, plans to produce up to 1,000 Superjets, primarily for foreign markets.

It aimed to sell 42 planes to Indonesia, which is seeing a fast-expanding aviation market that aims to tap travel by a growing middle class in the world's fourth-most populous nation.

Indonesia's Sky Aviation signed a commitment last August to buy 12 Sukhoi Superjet 100s.

"Some of our staff were in the plane. We are waiting for the investigation by the authorities, whether it's human error or plane issues," said Sutito Zainudin, general manager marketing of PT Sky Aviation.

"We will take further action about the Sukhoi (purchase) after the investigation is completed," Zainudin said. A state-run newspaper in Vietnam said Laos was the first country in Southeast Asia to have placed an order for the aircraft.

The jet was developed with Western design advice and technology from companies including Italy's Finmeccanica, as well as avionics and engine equipment from French aerospace firms Thales and Safran.

Built in a converted corner of a Sukhoi fighter factory in Siberia, the Superjet was unveiled in 2007 as part of a drive to restore pride in Russia's aviation industry, but it ran into a series of development delays.

The Superjet 100, with a capacity of 68-103 passengers, is already in service with Russia's Aeroflot and Armenian carrier Armavia and is half way through a 15,500-km (9,630-mile), six-nation Asian tour to try to drum up more international customers.

The aircraft is being marketed internationally in partnership with Finmeccanica subsidiary Alenia Aeronautica.
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:58 PM   #13
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:21 PM   #14
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How nice, a 30 minute demo flight through the mountains! Sounds like the pilot was an idiot, requesting to go to 6,000 feet where a 7,000 foot mountain range exists.

I wonder how their sales on this new jet are going to go now? I'm guessing not good.
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:47 PM   #15
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Note toself: Never ever ever fly on anything Russian!
Most western aircraft are partly designed in Russia or have Russian parts in them.
Most of the avionics/hydraulics/electrics on this aircraft are western.

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How nice, a 30 minute demo flight through the mountains! Sounds like the pilot was an idiot, requesting to go to 6,000 feet where a 7,000 foot mountain range exists.

I wonder how their sales on this new jet are going to go now? I'm guessing not good.
No, it doesn't sound like the pilot was an idiot. It sounds like some people are talking out of their arse before they know what happened.

So far it looks like controlled flight into terrain and I've seen some pics in another forum suggesting the terrain awareness and warning system might have been disabled on the previous flight and left in the off position during the fatal one.
That might have been intentional when considering the nature of the demo flight. It's possible that visual conditions worsened as the aircraft was approaching the mountains and the TAWS being off might have been a factor. But this is pure speculation at this point.
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Old 05-10-2012, 08:05 PM   #16
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I would suggest you all wait until the investigation is finished.
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Old 05-10-2012, 08:24 PM   #17
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I would suggest you all wait until the investigation is finished.
Agreed Anton,BUT as we all know if Russia is in charge of it,none of the real causes will be made public and it will be business as usual.

They need a third party in on this one to get to the real truth.
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Old 05-10-2012, 08:27 PM   #18
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Agreed Anton,BUT as we all know if Russia is in charge of it,none of the real causes will be made public and it will be business as usual.
Do you have any evidence supporting that claim?
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Old 05-10-2012, 09:41 PM   #19
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Most western aircraft are partly designed in Russia or have Russian parts in them.
Most of the avionics/hydraulics/electrics on this aircraft are western.


It's the standard of maintenance and crew training that I don't trust!

I would like to see some figures concerning Accident/incident rates for Russian aircraft compared to Western aircraft.
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Can you imagine, just sitting in you seat and all of a sudden hitting a godamn mountain wall at 450mph. Never felt a thing...
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