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Old 11-15-2012, 07:27 PM   #41
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Ok, if Athiesm is a religion, then I quit going to that church.

I'm not going to practice atheism anymore, i'm just going to live my life the way I have been but not label myself an atheist.

Do I follow a religion ?
Religion is not dependant on worship, it is dependant on belief...you believe there is no God, you can't know, no one can.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:32 PM   #42
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Religion is not dependant on worship, it is dependant on belief...you believe there is no God, you can't know, no one can.
If i've never heard of religion and don't believe in anything because i've never had anyone tell me anything about it, you're saying that I still follow some sort of religion ?

I don't care for hardcore atheists, I live my life according to me. Not the principles of Jesus, not the principles of whatever you think atheism is, yet some-fucking-how, I follow a religion ????????????

It makes no sense. Either your too ignorant for this conversation like the OP or you're talking just to talk because you're bored, which is it ?
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:39 PM   #43
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Who said anyone had to be killed for disobeying a religious belief?
Uganda, amongst many others.
ALTER2EGO -to- FIGATOVA:
I posted the scripture where Jesus said people's behavior will identify them as being part of true religion or false religion. Clearly, what's taking place in Uganda is not representative of true religion. I also made it clear that killing people is not a requirement in order for a belief system to be classified as a religious belief. That was one of your arguments for why Atheism doesn't qualify as "religion"; remember? You said atheists don't kill people for disobeying the atheist rules and therefore, atheism is not religion. That's when I responded as above by telling you the killing of those who disobey the rules is not a requirement for a belief system to be deemed a religion. So I can't even figure why you're mentioning false religions in Uganda. What's taking place in Uganda does not change the fact that all religions don't kill people for disobeying the rules; therefore, you can't use that argument for why Atheism is not religion.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:56 PM   #44
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theós is the word for "god", hence someone who's perception is not based on the existance of a god cant be a theist. Theism or at least Spiritualism however are the precondition for a religion.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:05 PM   #45
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No it isnt.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:27 PM   #46
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here's what you're trying to do....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing...al_sciences%29
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Framing refers to the social construction of a social phenomenon often by mass media sources, political or social movements, political leaders, or other actors and organizations. It is an inevitable process of selective influence over the individual's perception of the meanings attributed to words or phrases. It is generally considered in one of two ways: as frames in thought, consisting of the mental representations, interpretations, and simplifications of reality, and frames in communication, consisting of the communication of frames between different actors.[1] Framing might also be understood as being either equivalence frames, which represent logically equivalent alternatives portrayed in different ways (see framing effect (psychology)) or as emphasis frames, which simplify reality by focusing on a subset of relevant aspects of a situation or issue.[1] In the context of politics or mass media communication, a frame defines the packaging of an element of rhetoric in such a way as to encourage certain interpretations and to discourage others.

In social theory, framing refers to a schema of interpretation, a collection of anecdotes and stereotypes, that individuals rely on to understand and respond to events.[2] In other words, people build a series of mental filters through biological and cultural influences. They use these filters to make sense of the world. The choices they then make are influenced by their creation of a frame. Framing is also a key component of sociology, the study of social interaction among humans.
from a purely objective rhetorical standpoint, the only way this debate works is from a cultural bias that has zero evidence to support the claim that there is a judeo/christian god. you would even further admit that your only proof is faith. the entire premise of the debate is a non-starter, where you attempt to drag 'lack of belief' into the frame that that is in itself a form of belief. your entire premise is complete nonsense. and a beaten to a pulp and stomped dry dead horse fallacy, i might add.

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Old 11-15-2012, 08:32 PM   #47
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Hi Ranger, welcome back.

Atheism is a religion because Stalin killed them thread # 999,999,999,999, next one WINS!
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:34 PM   #48
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Athiesm a religion? Not by definition it isn't. Do some athiests go as overboard as some religious? Sure, ofcourse. But defining atheism as a 'religion' tells me you have no clue of the official definition of religion and it wouldn't hurt to educate yourself.

Religion is defined as supernatural and spiritual beliefs. Not 'belief in general'. I guess in the mind of some religious people, they have to tell themselves 'everyone is religious' in some form or fashion. To make themselves feel more rational for believing in spirits, ghosts and some supernatural being in the sky.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:35 PM   #49
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Why can't you religious idiots just shut the fuck up already? Do you need the satisfaction of being right or something? Holding something over someone else's head? The knowledgeable versus the ignorant? Fine, you're right and the rest of us will burn in hell for all eternity. Enjoy heaven. Tell me grandma I said hello.

Now shut the fuck up.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:06 PM   #50
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Why can't you religious idiots ...
wow, thanks.
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