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Old 11-16-2012, 11:45 AM   #71
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If you talk about 'nothing', then you must talk about the 'infinite'
Our math shows them to be one and the same.
Zero is Infinity.
We humans are finite, with a beginning and end. A very small finitude.
The only reason humanity would even presume to understand, is an emotional arrogance.
And then there are people that make no sense at all.

I can picture you giggling behind your keyboard.
Or you thought you were smart.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:55 AM   #72
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And then there are people that make no sense at all.

I can picture you giggling behind your keyboard.
Or you thought you were smart.
You go ahead and think what ever you want.
That is what the relative quality of human thought means!
I've seen this dismissal so many times.
nothing new here.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:50 PM   #73
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From an atheist: Go fuck yourselves.

How religious does that sound?
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:59 PM   #74
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You are not getting it, your faith, is your lack of faith in a God, it is an opinion, a belief, it is as provable as theism and has as much basis in science as theism....
I think it's you who doesn't get it.

SEAN, listen to me. Ready ? K.

Do you believe that a unicorn named meduba is god ? NO YOU SAY ? Then you follow a religion. DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO YOU ?????? That's what you're telling me.

Not believing in something ISN'T A BELIEF SYSTEM. I don't wake up and deny anything, I don't get up in the mornings and say, "there is no god".

The thoughts don't exist in my mind until I see someone post something as rediculous as the OP.


I have countered every point you've tried to make thus far in this thread (among others as well) with a pretty good amount of respect regarding my history on these forums.

There's no other way to be nice about it from here on out. Anything else said about the matter will result in but not not be limited to, trolling, flaming, name calling, insults and mother jokes.

When you reply to this post, type everything out, lean back in your seat and re-read what you're about write. Analyze it and make sure that what you're writing is indeed what you want to convey and prepare your anus for what's going to come back your way.




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Old 11-16-2012, 02:24 PM   #75
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Think chad just closed this mptherfucker down
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:08 AM   #76
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ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
The Scopes Monkey Trial was in 1925. That case opened the way for Atheism to be classified as a religion. It was not until 1961 that the U.S. Supreme Court—the most important court in the land—cemented atheism as a religion in the case of Torcaso v. Watkins. As you know, U.S. Supreme Court rulings become the law of the land. In its ruling, the 1961 court mentioned Secular Humanism, which as we all know is the default religious ideology of atheism. Specifically, the 1961 Supreme Court said the following, and keep your eyes on the words that I bolded in the entire document. Pay particular note to what I bolded in red, especially at Footnote 11.



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TORCASO v. WATKINS, 367 U.S. 488 (1961)
367 U.S. 488
TORCASO v. WATKINS, CLERK.
APPEAL FROM THE COURT OF APPEALS OF MARYLAND.
No. 373.
Argued April 24, 1961.
Decided June 19, 1961.

Appellant was appointed by the Governor of Maryland to the office of Notary Public; but he was denied a commission because he would not declare his belief in God, as required by the Maryland Constitution. Claiming that this requirement violated his rights under the First and Fourteenth Amendments, he sued in a state court to compel issuance of his commission; but relief was denied. The State Court of Appeals affirmed, holding that the state constitutional provision is self-executing without need for implementing legislation and requires declaration of a belief in God as a qualification for office. Held: This Maryland test for public office cannot be enforced against appellant, because it unconstitutionally
invades his freedom of belief and religion guaranteed by the First Amendment and protected by the Fourteenth Amendment from infringement by the States. Pp. 489-496.
223 Md. 49, 162 A. 2d 438, reversed.

The appellant Torcaso was appointed to the office of Notary Public by the Governor of Maryland but was refused a commission to serve because he would not declare his belief in God. He then brought this action in a Maryland Circuit Court to compel issuance of his commission, charging that the State's requirement that he declare this belief violated "the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States . . . ." 1 The Circuit Court rejected these federal constitutional contentions, and the highest court of the State, the Court of Appeals, affirmed, 2 holding that the state constitutional provision is self-executing and requires declaration of belief in God as a qualification for office without need for implementing legislation. The case is therefore properly here on appeal under 28 U.S.C. 1257 (2).

"We are all agreed that the First and Fourteenth Amendments have a secular reach far more penetrating [367 U.S. 488, 494] in the conduct of Government than merely to forbid an `established church.'. . . We renew our conviction that `we have staked the very existence of our country on the faith that complete separation between the state and religion is best for the state and best for religion.'"

[ Footnote 11 ]
Among religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God are Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, Secular Humanism and others. See Washington Ethical Society v. District of Columbia, 101 U.S. App. D.C. 371, 249 F.2d 127; Fellowship of Humanity v. County of Alameda, 153 Cal. App. 2d 673, 315 P.2d 394; II Encyclopaedia of the Social Sciences 293; 4 Encyclopaedia Britannica (1957 ed.) 325-327; 21 id., at 797; Archer, Faiths Men Live By (2d ed. revised by Purinton), 120-138, 254-313; 1961 World Almanac 695, 712; Year Book of American Churches for 1961, at 29, 47.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bi...=367&invol=488


Remember, the person who brought this lawsuit all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court was an atheist suing for his Secular Humanist/atheist religious rights under the First Amendment and the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. This case set the precedence for atheism by default to be linked up with Secular Humanism.

Even the English dictionary defines atheism's default belief system as Secular Humanism. Why? Because atheists, as a group, insist they can be a credit to humanity "without recourse to supernaturalism" (without instructions from a supernatural God or gods).

DEFINITION OF "HUMANISM":

1. the quality of being human; human nature

2. any system of thought or action based on the nature, interests, and ideals of humanity; specif., a modern, nontheistic, rationalist movement that holds that humanity is capable of self-fulfillment, ethical conduct, etc. WITHOUT RECOURSE TO SUPERNATURALISM

http://www.yourdictionary.com/humanism



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Atheism has no rules or hierarchy. It has no moral code. It does not require converts, missionaries or proselytizers. It has no organization or structure, no proscriptions on behavior, no prayers no icons, no houses of worship. There is no pre-life, afterlife or reincarnation. There are no saints, prophets or holy persons. There is no god or pantheon and there are no beliefs - merely a state of unbelief.

It fails to fit the definition of religion by all demonstrable measures.
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:29 AM   #78
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1. Atheists have committed human rights violations en masse throughout history. For instance, Joseph Stalin--the atheist--ordered the deaths of between 40 million to 62 million people (20 million of which were everyday Soviet civilians), compared to the 6 million killed by Adolph Hitler the Roman Catholic "Christian."

In other words, the problem is not the Bible or God. The problem is people,
You're fudging the numbers.

Stalin did not order the deaths of 40 million, though direct and indirect orders must account for a fair share. His policies caused the starvation or forced labor that claimed most of those lives. It was not done purely in the name of atheism, though his brand of [atheist] communism and cult of personality played a part. That does not mean it was a concerted effort by an atheist movement to kill those people for the sake of atheism.

As for Hitler, though he ordered the death of 6 million Jews, he also ordered the deaths of millions more and his wars cause over 50 million deaths worldwide - some of which are probably included in your vastly inflated Stalin figures, since they were fighting each other. Both were the same kind of monster; one supposedly Cristian, another supposedly atheist, but both worshippers of their own ego and twisted ideology.

Atheism itself cannot be held accountable for so many deaths. Rather, it was pure human greed and lust for power that was responsible, just as in the European [Christian] conquest of the Americas, when untold millions of natives were wiped out.
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Atheism has no rules or hierarchy. It has no moral code. It does not require converts, missionaries or proselytizers. It has no organization or structure, no proscriptions on behavior, no prayers no icons, no houses of worship. There is no pre-life, afterlife or reincarnation. There are no saints, prophets or holy persons. There is no god or pantheon and there are no beliefs - merely a state of unbelief.

It fails to fit the definition of religion by all demonstrable measures.
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Of course it does. The atheists who filed lawsuits demanding their Atheist Religious rights don't agree with you. One of them named Torcaso took his battle all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court in 1961 and was granted his religious rights. Those rights extend to all atheists who reside in the USA. By default, the atheists' "moral code" and philosophy is Secular Humanism.
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Atheism has no rules or hierarchy. It has no moral code. It does not require converts, missionaries or proselytizers. It has no organization or structure, no proscriptions on behavior, no prayers no icons, no houses of worship. There is no pre-life, afterlife or reincarnation. There are no saints, prophets or holy persons. There is no god or pantheon and there are no beliefs - merely a state of unbelief.
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And what do you suppose atheists do on Religion forums, when they are not attacking Christians and other theists? They are advertising their ideology as being more superior. That's called proselytizing. In fact, atheists have their own literature that they use for the purpose of spreading their Secular Humanist ideology.

Below is one source that confirms what I said about atheist literature. Click the weblink, and it will take you to the full New York Times article, which includes a photograph showing atheists on their way to an atheist meeting. In other words, unlike your fallacious statement above that I copied in light blue, where you said: "It has no organization or structure," the facts say otherwise.


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"Joining the chaplain corps is part of a broader campaign by atheists to win official acceptance in the military. Such recognition would make it easier for them to raise money and meet on military bases. It would help ensure that chaplains, religious or atheist, would distribute their literature, advertise their events and advocate for them with commanders." (Source: " Atheists Seek Chaplain Role in the Military" by James Dao, April 26, 2011, New York Times)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/27/us...pagewanted=all
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