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Old 02-04-2013, 10:39 PM   #11
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That's one part I don't like, they're quite an eyesore. Putting more of them offshore should be the way forward IMO.
Yea, at first I was thinking, "THAT IS AWESOME" then after seeing them for 150 miles of straight driving, I just wanted to see the hills rather than those things.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:42 PM   #12
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Too bad the unemployment is sky high..

How many free loaders getting that electricity
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:44 PM   #13
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Wind energy in Spain sets record

Wind farms in Spain have broken an energy record in January, generating more electricity than any other source.

Spanish wind farms generated 6 terawatt hours of electricity in January, according to an industry trade group, enough to power nearly every household in the country.

The Spanish Wind Energy Association said wind energy accounted for 25 per cent of all electrical production in January, more than both coal and nuclear power.

"The Spanish economy has gained 3 euros for every one euro invested in incentives for wind farms," the association said in a blog post, adding that the fossil fuels needed to generate the same amount of electricity would have cost $406 million.

Spain has been trying to boost renewable energy production to curb carbon emissions.

In Canada, just 1.3 per cent of energy is generated by wind, or 7.2 terawatt hours annually one tenth of Spain's annual output. However, 64.2 per cent of Canada's energy production is renewable due to massive hydroelectric capacity.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...pain-wind.html

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Old 02-04-2013, 10:46 PM   #14
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Too bad the unemployment is sky high..

How many free loaders getting that electricity
*STANDS UP AND CLAPS*

Way to get OFF-FUCKING-TOPIC once again Dat. You're as predictable as the alphabet. But in your case it would be called the Betabet.

I've left some crayons for you in the other thread, please go play.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:50 PM   #15
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I don't mind the look of them, like Fig said they may go offshore.. South Australia has the most of ours..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_in_Australia
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:15 AM   #16
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If you have land and a windmill is going to be placed on your property it can be worth as much as $300k a year to you in royalties for using the land alone. An income sharing arrangement. A real money spinner.

Offshore is much more expensive. That's why.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:07 AM   #17
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There's a windfarm not far from me, it is an eyesore, worth it in the long run though.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:10 AM   #18
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There is one big problem with wind energy still: It has to be transferred from its "collecting point" to where its needed.
(Thats is also probably one of the major problems concerning offshore wind parks)
And as fast as the wind parks are popping out of the ground the electricity companies struggle to keep up with creating an electricity network that converts and distributes the energy.

As an example where you realize the madness is Germany:
As good European citizens we of course want to be sustainable and efficient in the production of energy (and dont get me wrong, I'm ALL for renewable energies), but politicians or communities simply doing it for being able to wave the green flag is doing-it-wrong.
Our big (offshore) parks in the north produce more energy than what can be used due to the problem of an insufficient infrastructure for distribution.
So the electricity is produced but partially not being utilized resp. waisted.
So far not so bad you'd think.
But here it comes: Because the electricity companies are being subsidized and granted a price for their supply of every kw/h they inject, the amount of kw/hs being produced (but wasted) are charged on top of the electricity price we (the German taxpayer) pays for.
So as long as the electricity network isnt able to keep up with the windmills, we pay for every kw/h blowin in the wind as well.
Mad, isnt it?

The same btw goes for solar panels.
The (mostly wealthy) people who can afford a solar panel on their roof (and we get a lot of these now recently) are being subsidized by the state for producing (and injecting) electricity. They have been ensured a fix price for 20 years for every kw/h (WTF?!). This price is now due to the falling electricity prices by far higher than the prices for "normal" electrity for the rest of us.
So again the higher price for the solar electricity that needs to be paid (because its been granted by the state) is being shifted on top of the price for normal electricity.
So the single pensioner living in a small flat of his small pension now pays the for the electricity of the wealthy with a solar panel on their roof.
Some politicians need to be slapped hard.
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There is one big problem with wind energy still: It has to be transferred from its "collecting point" to where its needed.
(Thats is also probably one of the major problems concerning offshore wind parks)
And as fast as the wind parks are popping out of the ground the electricity companies struggle to keep up with creating an electricity network that converts and distributes the energy.

As an example where you realize the madness is Germany:
As good European citizens we of course want to be sustainable and efficient in the production of energy (and dont get me wrong, I'm ALL for renewable energies), but politicians or communities simply doing it for being able to wave the green flag is doing-it-wrong.
Our big (offshore) parks in the north produce more energy than what can be used due to the problem of an insufficient infrastructure for distribution.
So the electricity is produced but partially not being utilized resp. waisted.
So far not so bad you'd think.
But here it comes: Because the electricity companies are being subsidized and granted a price for their supply of every kw/h they inject, the amount of kw/hs being produced (but wasted) are charged on top of the electricity price we (the German taxpayer) pays for.
So as long as the electricity network isnt able to keep up with the windmills, we pay for every kw/h blowin in the wind as well.
Mad, isnt it?

The same btw goes for solar panels.
The (mostly wealthy) people who can afford a solar panel on their roof (and we get a lot of these now recently) are being subsidized by the state for producing (and injecting) electricity. They have been ensured a fix price for 20 years for every kw/h (WTF?!). This price is now due to the falling electricity prices by far higher than the prices for "normal" electrity for the rest of us.
So again the higher price for the solar electricity that needs to be paid (because its been granted by the state) is being shifted on top of the price for normal electricity.
So the single pensioner living in a small flat of his small pension now pays the for the electricity of the wealthy with a solar panel on their roof.
Some politicians need to be slapped hard.
Good points. In regards to solar panels and since 2006 it's mandatory in Spain to put solar panels that cover hot water needs on new and renovated buildings. It's part of the new building standards which also include better insulation, etc.
I think that was a good move as it reduces bills and emissions with marginal increases in building costs.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:21 PM   #20
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There is a heck of a lot of research into smoothing out natural variability in natural energy sources like solar, wind, wave (unlike blessed geothermal). It either requires distribution (as in a huge global electricity grid/market) ... or storage (using any of the clever ways to store energy for later).

Variability is not unique to wind power, but it's bloody awesome that Spain has put in the hard yards to get away from unsustainable energy sources. Hopefully the economy doesn't tank before the payoff starts.
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