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Old 10-04-2014, 11:20 AM   #11
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That doesn't back your position on the subject in any way. The 'American envoy sent to broker the impasse' was the beginning of the end for Mossadeq. Britain lost their opportunity to do it.... so we did.
We didn't do it because Standard Oil was there. We did it because British Petroleum was there.

I never said we didn't do it lipskip. I said we did for the British. I said the British were the impetus behind it. It was the British that had the problem with Mossedegh. Not us. We did it on behalf of them. We supplied the power they lacked and we supplied that power all through the Cold War and even in most recently, Libya.
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Old 10-04-2014, 11:30 AM   #12
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Hayden is right. You are absolutely fucking delusional.
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Old 10-04-2014, 11:38 AM   #13
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Hayden is right. You are absolutely fucking delusional.
I think you're delusional.
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We didn't do it because Standard Oil was there. We did it because British Petroleum was there.

I never said we didn't do it lipskip. I said we did for the British. I said the British were the impetus behind it. It was the British that had the problem with Mossedegh. Not us. We did it on behalf of them. We supplied the power they lacked and we supplied that power all through the Cold War and even in most recently, Libya.
I don't see what is so hard to understand about this statement.
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Facts about the end of the war The fall of Saigon happened 30 April 1975, two years AFTER the American military left Vietnam.

The last American troops departed in their entirety 29 March 1973. How could we lose a war we had already stopped fighting? We fought to an agreed stalemate.

The peace settlement was signed in Paris on 27 January 1973. It called for release of all U.S. prisoners, withdrawal of U.S. forces, limitation of both sides' forces inside South Vietnam and a commitment to peaceful reunification. [1996 Information Please Almanac]

The 140,000 evacuees in April 1975 during the fall of Saigon consisted almost entirely of civilians and Vietnamese military, NOT American military running for their lives.

There were almost twice as many casualties in Southeast Asia (primarily Cambodia) the first two years after the fall of Saigon in 1975 then there were during the ten years the U.S. was involved in Vietnam.
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I don't see what is so hard to understand about this statement.
Nothing, she's just reversed course is all, given that in our prior exchange she said exactly the opposite. Now that she's proven wrong, she's in damage control and reversing course. Now it's 'we did it on their behalf', whereas before it was 'they did it all themselves with very little help from us'.
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Look,, everyone knows that both the Americans, and the British are the antichrist.
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They hate us so much they want to buy weapons from us to defend their territory fro their former allies.

US State Department Opens Door to Maritime Defense Weapon Sales To Vietnam



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WASHINGTON — The United States will allow the sale of lethal equipment and weaponry to Vietnam for maritime defense purposes, the US State Department announced Thursday.
The executive decision, which ends an overall ban on lethal weapon sales to that country and which has been in place since the end of the Vietnam War, begins immediately.
It also comes at a time of growing tensions in the South China Sea, including a situation over the summer where China set up an oil rig in waters claimed by Vietnam.
The definition of what maritime security assets are is nebulous and will be decided on a case-by-case basis, as are all potential sales of military equipment. That will ensure the US maintains control and prevents Vietnamese military forces from gaining assets that could be used to quell internal dissent.
It also leaves wiggle room for Vietnam to procure aviation assets, State Department officials said. The country is likely to have an interest in helicopters or planes that can be used for maritime surveillance, opening up the possibility of Vietnam pursuing a range of platforms, from prop planes like the A-29 Super Tucano to Boeing’s large P-8 maritime surveillance aircraft.
However, immediate sales are not expected. A State Department official, speaking on background to reporters, said Vietnam does not have any equipment on order at this moment.
Officials told reporters the decision is the result of increased cooperation between the US and Vietnam, including Vietnam’s improvements in the human rights arena. That includes the release of 11 political prisoners over the last year and improved religious freedoms within the country.
However, they acknowledged that China’s growing aggression in the region also played a part in putting the focus on maritime assets.
“In very broad terms, it’s partly in response to the realization that there is a lack of maritime capacity in the region and it is useful to fill that gap,” one official said. “And certainly, the need for that has become more apparent over the last year or two. But it is not in response to a specific action or crisis at the moment.
“This is not an anti-China move. This is not something where we would feel we had to alert China to. This is really a move on the continuum of things we’ve been talking about to help countries build maritime capacity.”
The officials stressed that the definition of what could be transferred is limited, and emphasized that the State Department will continue to monitor Vietnam’s human rights situation.
“Just because we’ve shifted the nonlethal policy is not an indication we’re going to provide all lethal assistance,” a second official said. “I don’t want you to get the sense the floodgates are opening.”



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Old 10-04-2014, 06:16 PM   #20
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I don't see what is so hard to understand about this statement.
What's hard to understand about it, for liberals, is that it makes America the pawn of the UK as far as Iran goes. That's something some of them, especially the blame America first crowd, can't tolerate.

It's much easier to believe America is so big, so powerful and so smart, that everything is our fault. Everything is done by our CIA, everything is controlled by a thousand invisible hands etc.

It's much more difficult to realize it's a complex world and shit happens.

oh and troofers are mostly troofers because they hate Bush and they're partisan Democrats.
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