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Old 07-07-2016, 07:28 PM   #21
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I agree, BUT...why risk it when all you have to do is fire it on a course out of the solar system, it will never be of any danger to anything ever.
you know the old adage 'what goes up must come down', namely it could go into an orbit and come back at us later.
Better to shoot it towards the sun, with it's massive gravity it would be hard to miss.
This was actually studied back in the 70's, but the anti-nuc wackos and the EPA and NRC stopped it. Namely, if the rocket blew up during launch it would spread radioactive waste all over the world. That's also why we don't use nuclear reactors to power and heat our space crafts anymore, while other nations still do.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:31 PM   #22
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I agree, BUT...why risk it when all you have to do is fire it on a course out of the solar system, it will never be of any danger to anything ever.
You think dumping our nuclear waste into the sun will have an effect?

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The Sun is 864,400 miles (1,391,000 kilometers) across. This is about 109 times the diameter of Earth. The Sun weighs about 333,000 times as much as Earth. It is so large that about 1,300,000 planet Earths can fit inside of it.
A couple of tons of nuclear waste going into a nuclear reactor 333,000 times heavier than all of Earth, will do nothing.

There's 250,000 tons of nuclear waste on Earth, the Earth weighs 5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons. The sun weighs 333,000 x 5.972^21.

With that said, I can't even begin to give you an analogy for how insignificant that is. It's the ultimate trash disposal tool. It's so fucking big it contains 99.86 percent of the solar system's total mass, 99.86% of everything in our solar system is the sun.

It wouldn't make a bit of difference.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:01 PM   #23
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You think dumping our nuclear waste into the sun will have an effect?


Read what I typed.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:02 PM   #24
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I dunno, I used to think that, but who knows what affect that may have on our Sun, probably none because it's massive and swallows all sorts of stuff up in the millions of tonnes everyday, but, would it be worth finding out the hard way?
NO, there's no hard way to find out. Nothing would happen.
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Old 07-07-2016, 09:58 PM   #25
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NO, there's no hard way to find out. Nothing would happen.

Not in our lifetime, what about in 10,000 years?
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Here's the thing.... nuclear 'waste' is still emitting radiation, that's why it's so toxic. So it's still got a lot of potential energy left in it. When we figure out how to wring all of the energy out of things properly, there likely won't be anything known as 'nuclear waste' anymore.

Understanding the fundamentals of stored energy is probably one of the 'keys to the kingdom' of eventually leaving our current physics model behind and figuring out how to manipulate 'strings', time, what have you.
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lol the sun the would eat anything we threw at it. We could send everything nuclear and radioactive we have on earth in one ball all at once, and it wouldn't even amount to a microscopic fart on the sun.
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lol the sun the would eat anything we threw at it. We could send everything nuclear and radioactive we have on earth in one ball all at once, and it wouldn't even amount to a microscopic fart on the sun.
You learned this in your post-doc Astrophysics studies?

I don't care what even the best and brightest think on it.... you don't fuck with the supreme life giving force in the solar system for any reason. At all.

"Yeah.... well see.... we thought the sun would totally consume anything we shot at it.... buuttt, it would seem we've inadvertently discovered a new physics concept that shows how a catastrophic chain reaction can be started that increases exponentially, extinguishing all fissile material it encounters. HAH! Who knew, right? The Earth has approximately 32 years before it will no longer be able to sustain life. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!"
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You learned this in your post-doc Astrophysics studies?

I don't care what even the best and brightest think on it.... you don't fuck with the supreme life giving force in the solar system for any reason. At all.

"Yeah.... well see.... we thought the sun would totally consume anything we shot at it.... buuttt, it would seem we've inadvertently discovered a new physics concept that shows how a catastrophic chain reaction can be started that increases exponentially, extinguishing all fissile material it encounters. HAH! Who knew, right? The Earth has approximately 32 years before it will no longer be able to sustain life. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!"
I don't have to be an expert to "theorize". And just for the record, most of it would burn up before it even entered the sun. The sun is basically an enormous continuously exploding hydrogen bomb as it is. A huge nuclear fucking fireball. The sun is already doing what thermonuclear weapons do, but on a much larger and continuous scale.

It's just my opinion not a damn thing would happen. Poof, just gone. There is no Earthly element that we could shoot at it, that it hasn't already consumed or harbored before.
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There is no Earthly element that we could shoot at it, that it hasn't already consumed or harbored before.
Yes I have already admitted we would probably have no effect on the Sun, BUT, we don't know that for sure, we can't know that for sure, we cannot know what thousands of years of us shooting our waste at the Sun could do; probably, like you said it would just burn up and become part of the solar wind, some of it coming right back at us. BUT why even take the chance when all you have to do is send it out to the VASTNESS of the universe, where it will never be encountered again or just dump it on a useless moon/asteroid.

Lippy has a very good point though, at some point we may find a way to harness all of the energy and negate the need for waste disposal.
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