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Old 09-04-2017, 02:42 AM   #1
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Question Trump is ending DACA

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Old 09-04-2017, 06:02 AM   #2
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Trump isn't ending DACA despite the hysterics from the left and the celebration on the right.

DACA was never permanent. It was an executive order that has an end date written into it by Obama. The end date is September 4, 2017. That is, it's official termination date is today.

Trump actually extended DACA by six months. That gives Congress enough time to deal with DACA and immigration in the next six months. Immigration Laws are the purview of Congress, not presidential directives and presidential orders.

Obama should have never tried to bypass Congress, ignore the written laws on the books and upend the Constitution by going around Congress with his "pen and a phone." There was nothing in the presidential directive that ever had the force of law other than the issuing of work permits which, quite frankly, were in violation of actual existing laws on the books. There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the president the power to decide who should get work permits and who should not. That is Congress' decision.

So, now the ball is in Congress' court, where it should have been all along. It is not the president's job to just write a directive whenever he wants to get around our laws. Congress writes the laws and the POTUS either signs the laws or vetoes the laws. Presidential orders should not be used to contradict, undermine or to cut Congress out of the lawmaking process.

My opinion is that DACA should be ended simply because the manner of it's creation was in violation of checks and balances of the three branches of government.

I doubt I'm going to get what I want here, but I will reluctantly settle with never granting any DACA signatory either permanent legal resident status and never giving them, ever, no matter what, citizenship. It's not their fault that their parents brought them illegally to the U.S. but it's not the U.S. taxpayers obligation to provide for them or for the U.S. voter to share our voting power with them. One more thing, every parent of every DACA signatory needs to go to jail and/or deported and never allowed in the USA again. If their kids are allowed to stay, the parents must be punished for breaking our laws. Anything less will encourage more illegal immigration to our nation.

These DREAMers, are Mexican nationals for the most part. They are citizens of Mexico. It's not like they're being thrown into a culture or country they can't understand or navigate. They were born in Mexico etc to Mexican etc. mothers. I understand the narrative that these kids are more "American" than Mexican but the reality is that virtually all of them were born into families in their native nations, raised in families that did not speak American English for the most part, have extended families in their country of origin and are more familiar with their culture and customs of their home countries than with U.S. culture and customs.
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Old 09-04-2017, 06:56 PM   #3
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DACA was never permanent. It was an executive order that has an end date written into it by Obama. The end date is September 4, 2017. That is, it's official termination date is today.
Do you have a link showing the end date? I tried searching for it and couldn't find it.
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Old 09-04-2017, 08:17 PM   #4
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DACA is just another Saul Alinsky style scam.
Sets the stage for voter fraud.
Of course you do understand those who profit from it like Sharpton and a host of other scammers skimming our tax money will be put out by it.
Oh the drama ...
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Old 09-04-2017, 10:14 PM   #5
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Do you have a link showing the end date? I tried searching for it and couldn't find it.
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2014 Executive Actions on Immigration
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xpanding the population eligible for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to people of any current age who entered the United States before the age of 16 and lived in the United States continuously since January 1, 2010, and extending the period of DACA and work authorization from two years to three years. | Details
Three years time was up on September 4, 2017. Trump actually expanded DACA for six months.

Furthermore, if Obama would have actually worked with the Republican Congress for immigration reform, specifically, Ted Cruz instead of doing an run around Congress, this would not be a problem.

Obama made promises to so-called DREAMers that he couldn't keep. The media also failed to warn illegal immigrants how legally precarious DACA was and instead pushed illegal immigrants to sign up, thus "tricking" them into admitting a crime. Blame Obama, the media and those fools who thought it was more important to sink comprehensive immigration reform for partisan reasons than work toward an actual solution. Democrats and Obama could have compromised with Republicans by allowing permanent resident status with no path to citizenship but because they wanted the illegal immigrant votes, they sunk comprehensive immigration reform.

Now, they can go back to Mexico, along with their parents and come back legally after they wait in line like everyone else. Their parents however, should never be allowed in the U.S. again for any reason.
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Old 09-05-2017, 08:06 AM   #6
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Old 09-05-2017, 12:45 PM   #7
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I bet he keeps it. So funny watching CSPAN right now listening to all the teabaggers call in angry as hell. Gotta love the dog whistles.

Once lady said "If Trump doesn't get rid of DACA, I'm done with him."

But they said that about every other failed promise he's given. So they're not the most trustworthy people. Kinda hypocrites.

Poor little fragile snowflakes, didn't realize Trump was a confidence man before the election. It's almost like they've never heard of who Trump was before the election.

Silly dingdongs, we blame your media. Propaganda is powerful.
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Old 09-05-2017, 09:04 PM   #8
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Trump isn't ending anything he is only rescinding the overreach of that clueless loser who thought he could pull a fast one for the plantation owners.
pfff .. idiots.
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Old 09-06-2017, 12:03 AM   #9
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So they're not the most trustworthy people. Kinda hypocrites.
Not as bad as the hypocrites who voted for Hillary Clinton because she was "the candidate for women" though.

Hillary Clinton... the woman who laughed about a 12-year old girl getting raped... candidate for women... ahahahaha.

Who threatened to ruin her husband's rape victims if they didn't keep their mouths shut. Candidate for women... bahahahaha.
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Old 09-06-2017, 01:58 PM   #10
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I see this as a pretty realistic compromise opportunity to get the Wall funded and childhood arrivals permanent residency, obviously felons should be excluded from any deal.

Anyways I think it makes tremendous sense, that's probably why neither will happen and they will take the opportunity to blame each other for Hating America and being racists. Got to have topics to campaign on and all.
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