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Old 04-15-2018, 04:05 AM   #11
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Such a bad ass poison and they survived.
Did not even get immediate attention as they were found all jacked up already.
To use a weapon that pretty much points to one entity.
Seems odd.
I would use something more generic.
They were outside when the attack happened. Nerve agents act differently when they are outdoors as compared to indoors. It was meant to go off in the car while in the daughter's purse. Instead, they were outside in a well ventilated area. That meant the particulate scattered more thus hitting the people nearby who also suffered from it and the particulate wasn't as effective. Think of it this way, indoors, the particulate would be more concentrated and it would be active for a longer period of time. Outdoors, the particulate would disperse much more and spread a low dose over a greater area.
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Old 04-15-2018, 04:09 AM   #12
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There doesn't need to be a blood test for a nerve agent.

Like most nerve agents, novichok isn't really a gas. It's a particulate that's put into an aerosol. The particulates were all over the place and even people who weren't there immediately got hit with it via contact with the particulates before they went inert. The blood doesn't need to be tested, just a sample of the particulate and nerve agents work by using lots and lots of particulates. It's an imprecise thing to use. Also, the british press called it poison the first day, not a nerve agent.
So how did they come to the conclusion within a couple days that Russia poisoned these people?
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Let us take a look at the chemistry of these nerve agents.

https://www.opcw.org/about-chemical-.../nerve-agents/
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So how did they come to the conclusion within a couple days that Russia poisoned these people?
Novichok is a particular form of nerve agent that was only produced in Soviet Union. After the fall of the USSR, the U.S. was able to get samples of it. The U.S. may illicitly produce nerve agents, I really don't know, but there's no reason the U.S. or the U.K would make Novichok. It's more costly to produce and more imprecise than the varieties we already know how to produce and have produced. The USSR produced Novichok because it couldn't synthesize other nerve agents that existed in the west. The USSR didn't have access to that sort of intelligence otherwise they would have because it's cheaper and more controllable.
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Let us take a look at the chemistry of these nerve agents.

https://www.opcw.org/about-chemical-.../nerve-agents/
That's a nice write up about nerve agents, but Novichok doesn't fall into any of the categories of nerve agents listed. Furthermore, Novichok is not a liquid. It's a powder.
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That's a nice write up about nerve agents, but Novichok doesn't fall into any of the categories of nerve agents listed. Furthermore, Novichok is not a liquid. It's a powder.
And its so deadly that days afterwards the victims have recovered with no chronic damage.
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And its so deadly that days afterwards the victims have recovered with no chronic damage.
Trace ammounts of a 30 year old chemical.
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I know, I am too!
That people would actually believe these blatant lies, and take them serious.

Here's the website for the Swiss lab mentioned.

https://www.labor-spiez.ch/en/lab/

https://www.labor-spiez.ch/en/lab/

Nothing on the website says this.
As a public institute, if they found it, they are obligated, by law, to say it.
They sent the results to the Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW) and don't publish it on their website.

The OPCW has the full report.
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Novichok is a particular form of nerve agent that was only produced in Soviet Union. After the fall of the USSR, the U.S. was able to get samples of it. The U.S. may illicitly produce nerve agents, I really don't know, but there's no reason the U.S. or the U.K would make Novichok. It's more costly to produce and more imprecise than the varieties we already know how to produce and have produced. The USSR produced Novichok because it couldn't synthesize other nerve agents that existed in the west. The USSR didn't have access to that sort of intelligence otherwise they would have because it's cheaper and more controllable.
Dear Lady, don't fall for this narrative that Russia can't produce something because it too costly or difficult. As an example, look at the atom bomb, to the 'dial-a-yield' bomb; and how quickly they followed us, by stealing the technology and science., then replicating it at what ever cost.
Russia has some of the worlds leading scientists and engineers, working on things for their government while getting rich for their efforts, but not going to the gulag, like in the past, when they fail.
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Dear Lady, don't fall for this narrative that Russia can't produce something because it too costly or difficult. As an example, look at the atom bomb, to the 'dial-a-yield' bomb; and how quickly they followed us, by stealing the technology and science., then replicating it at what ever cost.
Russia has some of the worlds leading scientists and engineers, working on things for their government while getting rich for their efforts, but not going to the gulag, like in the past, when they fail.
I didn't say Russia couldn't produce it because it was too costly or difficult. I said the exact opposite.

I said the US and the UK never produced it because a) it's costly and b) it's not controllable. There's no reason for us or the UK to produce since we already had formulas that work better than Novichok and cost less.

Novichok isn't like any of the nerve agents on the site you linked. First, it's a powder, a particulate, not a liquid. Second, it's difficult to control it's potency.

It is not a VX. It is phospherous based but it is not like a VX.
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