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Old 02-01-2012, 01:52 PM   #11
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A soft regulated market, regulated by true democracy is the way to go. So if some large players abuse their power against the people, the people will stop this via their elected politicians.

Free should not equal without law or ethics. A complete freedom of markets means slavery for the people. People over coporations. If you think think free market capitalism is bad right now, it will never get any better than today with globalisation just in the beginning.
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Old 02-01-2012, 01:53 PM   #12
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Capitalism itself isn't the problem, a free market is an excellent form. The problem is the corruption and greed of those in power, making it not a free market. From corporate espionage to governmental control.
Capitalism, being a monetary system, is always combined with corruption and greed, it cannot exist without it, it implies it.
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Old 02-01-2012, 01:56 PM   #13
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Old 02-01-2012, 01:58 PM   #14
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Capitalism, being a monetary system, is always combined with corruption and greed, it cannot exist without it, it implies it.
What? Caveat Emptor? That doesn't imply corruption, your off your rocker.....or don't really understand free market capitalism, it in no way implies corruption, it may imply thievery, but that's not the same as corruption.
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Old 02-01-2012, 02:08 PM   #15
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Capitalism itself isn't the problem, a free market is an excellent form. The problem is the corruption and greed of those in power, making it not a free market. From corporate espionage to governmental control.
Interesting point you have.
Not to take away from your conclusion but rather add to it.
I think it gos father than that.
There are those with wealth who are propagating and antagonizing the problems that are triggering the down turn.
Those who make they're money on the failure of it all most likely.
The American corporate machine is corrupt yes but no more so in essence than any household cheating on they're tax returns if on a somewhat larger scale.
That in itself is a state and federal problem which has turned a blind eye in only some cases not all.
As a result they have become involved with regulation probably the biggest factor in the stagnation of our growth to date.
Yes government needs to get out of the business business as it were, it has become to big.
But don't mistake it for the economic downturn that is happening world wide that is a different matter.
There is outside money at work here.
No company dedicated to the dollar no matter they're level of corruption has an interest in seeing it all fail now do they?
The percentage of corruption is a very small percentage here in all facets from the home to the business and to government.
That alone clearly indicates an outside influence of wealth is at work here to bring it all about to fail.
If it were the degree you imply it would have simply collapsed already.
Pointing fingers are not evidence or proof of wrong doing they are only accusations.
Find the other end of the fingers and you find who is behind it all.
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Old 02-01-2012, 02:16 PM   #16
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What? Caveat Emptor? That doesn't imply corruption, your off your rocker.....or don't really understand free market capitalism, it in no way implies corruption, it may imply thievery, but that's not the same as corruption.
I highly recommend watching the first video.
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Interesting point you have.
Not to take away from your conclusion but rather add to it.
I think it gos father than that.
There are those with wealth who are propagating and antagonizing the problems that are triggering the down turn.
Those who make they're money on the failure of it all most likely.
The American corporate machine is corrupt yes but no more so in essence than any household cheating on they're tax returns if on a somewhat larger scale.
That in itself is a state and federal problem which has turned a blind eye in only some cases not all.
As a result they have become involved with regulation probably the biggest factor in the stagnation of our growth to date.
Yes government needs to get out of the business business as it were, it has become to big.
But don't mistake it for the economic downturn that is happening world wide that is a different matter.
There is outside money at work here.
No company dedicated to the dollar no matter they're level of corruption has an interest in seeing it all fail now do they?
The percentage of corruption is a very small percentage here in all facets from the home to the business and to government.
That alone clearly indicates an outside influence of wealth is at work here to bring it all about to fail.
If it were the degree you imply it would have simply collapsed already.
Pointing fingers are not evidence or proof of wrong doing they are only accusations.
Find the other end of the fingers and you find who is behind it all.
Right, the problem isn't capitalism, the problem is fiat currency and the infinite growth paradigm, it's a fucking pyramid scheme, nothing more and doomed to failure. I can never understand why people can't see that, it's as plain as the nose on ones face, at least to me or anyone that takes a close look at it. They've been propping it up with illegal activity, forced obsolescence and bubbles for decades, it's reached it's end.
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I highly recommend watching the first video.
I've seen them, they're not completely correct, they have some good points, but.....
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Old 02-01-2012, 02:29 PM   #19
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Pretty much yes.
What are your chances of escaping this path (get a job, work for money to pay your bills)?
Living in a cave comes to mind, i am trying to think of anything else..
Is that what this is all about? You are condemning capitalism because you cant make it?
Thats not a capitalist issue, thats a personal issue.
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Is that what this is all about? You are condemning capitalism because you cant make it?
Thats not a capitalist issue, thats a personal issue.
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