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Old 02-18-2012, 01:30 PM   #1
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Question Can Israel Self-Destruct Like This?

I had no idea this was potentially such a huge problem for Israel. Uri Avnery touches upon several issues in this article The Suicide State....

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/...suicide-state/

But the part that strikes me most profoundly is what he calls the internal ticking time-bomb.

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Apart from the external ticking bomb (the “One-state Solution”), Israel also has an internal ticking bomb, which may be even more dangerous. Like the first option, the second one is already well on its way. If the first option depends at least partly on outside factors, the second is entirely self-made.

When Israel came into being, Orthodox Jews were a small minority. Since Ben-Gurion needed them for his coalition, he gave them some privileges which looked cheap to him. The Orthodox got their own education system, financed by the state, and were exempted from army service.

Some 60 years later, these privileges have grown to gigantic dimensions. To compensate for the lives lost in the Holocaust, and to increase the Jewish population, the Israeli government has encouraged natural increase by generous children’s subsidies. Since the religious of all shades have reproduced much more than any other Israelis (except Muslim Arabs), their part in the population has grown by leaps and bounds.

Orthodox families generally have 8-10 children. All these go to religious schools, where they study exclusively religious texts and don’t acquire any skills useful for working in a modern society. They don’t need them, since they do not work at all, devoting their entire lives to the study of the Talmud. They don’t need to interrupt their studying of the dead texts, because they don’t serve in the army.

If these were marginal phenomena in the early days of the state, they are now rapidly leading to a national emergency. Right from the beginning, almost all government coalitions have relied on the religious parties, because no party has ever won an overall majority in the Knesset. Almost all governing parties had to bribe their religious partners with ever increasing subsidies for children and adults, thus encouraging the growth of a population which neither serves in the army nor does any work.

The absence of the Orthodox from the labor force has severe effects on the economy, attested to by world financial institutions. Their absence from the army – as well as the absence of the Arab citizens, who are not drafted for obvious reasons – means that soon almost half the male population will not serve. This compels all the others to serve three full years, and then to do reserve duty for many more years.

Also, very soon, half the first grade pupils in Israel will be religious children, destined for a life without work, without paying taxes or serving in the army – all this paid for by the taxes of the diminishing number of the non-Orthodox.

Recently, after deepening unrest between religious and non-religious in Bet Shemesh, 25 km west of Jerusalem, the secularists demanded that the town be divided into two, one half Orthodox and the other secular. The Interior Minister, himself a leader of an Orthodox party, rejected this outright. As he candidly explained. since the Orthodox do not work and cannot pay municipal taxes, they cannot sustain a town of their own. They need the secular to work and pay.

This grotesque situation exists throughout the state. One can calculate when the whole edifice will come crashing down. International financial institutions as well as Israeli experts foretell disaster. Yet our political system does not make any change possible. The hold of the religious parties is as strong as ever.

Another method of suicide.
Seems that Israel is truly a house divided.
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:53 PM   #2
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What do you expect, 60 odd years of being threatened and under continuous attack will radicalise even the most moderate of people. Look at the rise of "radical" Christianity in the US, I bet it can be traced back to the perceived threat of Islamists. And before that the threat of the USSR...reds under the beds, it's the human condition we react to what we are frightened of or threatened by.
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What do you expect, 60 odd years of being threatened and under continuous attack will radicalise even the most moderate of people. Look at the rise of "radical" Christianity in the US, I bet it can be traced back to the perceived threat of Islamists. And before that the threat of the USSR...reds under the beds, it's the human condition we react to what we are frightened of or threatened by.
The Point.

You're missing it.
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Old 02-18-2012, 04:08 PM   #4
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The Point.

You're missing it.

That they are turning into the people that attack them?
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What do you expect, 60 odd years of being threatened and under continuous attack will radicalise even the most moderate of people. Look at the rise of "radical" Christianity in the US, I bet it can be traced back to the perceived threat of Islamists. And before that the threat of the USSR...reds under the beds, it's the human condition we react to what we are frightened of or threatened by.
Have you read the article?
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Old 02-18-2012, 04:20 PM   #6
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Have you read the article?
Yes, I am commenting on the rise of orthodoxy.
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Yes, I am commenting on the rise of orthodoxy.
Lol it just didn't translate that way.
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Lol it just didn't translate that way.
Well I thought as Swifty posted the excerpt on the rise of Orthodoxy, that is primarily what He/She wanted us to comment on!
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Well I thought as Swifty posted the excerpt on the rise of Orthodoxy, that is primarily what He/She wanted us to comment on!
Ye your right, I had to read twice what you had written and ye I see what you mean. The rise of orthodoxy can be attributed to persecution.
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I see you cut out the last part of the article...so no one sees this extreme leftists true agenda.
How convenient of you!

Sorry, but i cant take this idiots point of view seriously.

Avnery loves Obama and NATO, praises Libya genocide and wants the same For Syria.
He was arafats bum chum and is considered by most Israelis to be a traitor.

Regarding the Orthodox here, the government just needs to cut back the handouts and force them to work and serve in some manor with the IDF.
Simple...problem solved.
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