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Old 01-09-2018, 09:25 PM   #31
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Many wrongs do not make any "right to exist" for any state built on theft, murder, and lying hypocrisy.
Especially, when it has been paid for with blackmail and extortion of the USA taxpayer and the West.
When unconditional support of Israel comes before my nation's own best interests that is what it has
"to do with" all true patriots.

BTW, Palestinians are also "semites", so just who or whom is really being "anti-semitic" when being such a Zionist apologist?
It's a pathetic sight: a supposedly moralist movement ignoring a world full of injustice while putting so much of its energy into one single cause. Sort of invalidates the entire claim to be interested in 'justice' doesn't it?

WTF do you think most of the world's present sovereignties are built on if not your "theft, murder, and lying hypocrisy", i.e. conquest?!?

And deflecting about the definition of 'semite'/who is a semite isn't an attempt to clarify the issue, it's an irrelevant linguistic technicality. If you don't know what is commonly understood by the term "anti-semite" then kindly stfu about the entire topic involving Jews and Arabs. It's common usage with an easily understood common meaning. As if you've uncovered any root cause of anything with your definition-of-terms bloviation....LOL.

Sell that partisan baloney filler to them that's buying it. The Jews have no more and no less a right to that land than the Arabs who inherited it from the jihadis who conquered it long after the Israelites laid the foundation stones of their First Temple...whose stones are still there, underneath the Al Aqsa Mosque. Or are you going to demand that Turkey give back Istanbul to the Eastern Orthodox Christians they took it from, and restore the Hagia Sophia Cathedral as such? Which tribe shall we 'give back' the entire North American and South American continents to...shall we divide up the land and give it back to the tribes as they were distributed in 1492...or the way they were distributed a few hundred years later, after they had run each other out of prime territories using the Europeans' horses and firearms? Shall the Apache go back to Texas where they were before the Comanche ran them off, and the Crow go back to Minnesota from their present location in Montana? Or should we go all the way back to the time before their ancestors crossed the Bering Sea land bridge, and force them back to Asia? Do you want to give the rule of Mexico back over to the blood descendants of the Aztecs....because the Aztecs used to hold murderous control over all of their neighbors back before the (evil, terrible, exploitative) Spanish conquered them? Why not tell the Muslims, "Look, all of you invaders are going to have to go back to the Saudi Arabian Peninsula because most of this land you're on once belonged to the Roman Empire, and well, the Italians want it back....and the rest of that land in Asia goes back to the Mongols....and the land in Africa goes back to the dirt-worshipping heathens that Arabs like to massacre and sell into slavery..."? I'm sure that the Welsh would like all of England back from before the time of the Roman invasion, and the Irish most certainly have a legitimate claim on Northern Ireland from before the hated (Norman) English usurped it.

"Many wrongs do not make any right to exist", sure, but refusing to measure so many wrongs with the same yardstick that you insist on using while measuring the Arab-Israeli situation with isn't 'justice' either, is it? The nation you are living in exists because it was taken from some other people in the past...but you're not as concerned about THAT as you are concerned about those poor Arabs (who wish you either dead or muslim btw) and the 'rotten Jews" (who are happy to learn your language, respect your customs, and live among you without converting you by force if necessary). Why are the Palestinian Arabs so unique to you? Why are their 'rights to the land' more deserving of your support than the Tibetans', the Welsh', the Irish', the Pygmys', the Native Americans', etc.? Or are you just a partisan hack hypocrite? In all of history, "We were here first" has been as irrelevant and complicated as Abbot and Costello's 'who's on first' routine.


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Old 01-10-2018, 07:42 AM   #32
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In other words, if you dont apply the rules universally without exception, then stop your inconsequential hater filled prattle.
But as we see with muslims, people who live in echo chambers dont give a fuck about truth or equilibrium.
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Old 01-10-2018, 11:56 AM   #33
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The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law, because the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 prohibits countries from moving population into territories occupied in a war.[1][2][3][4][5] Israel maintains that they are consistent with international law[6] because it does not agree that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the territories occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War.[7] The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have all affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention does apply.[8][9]

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law, including UN Security Council resolutions in 1979, 1980,[10][11][12] and 2016.[13][14] UN Security Council Resolution 446 refers to the Fourth Geneva Convention as the applicable international legal instrument, and calls upon Israel to desist from transferring its own population into the territories or changing their demographic makeup. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[15] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The position of successive Israeli governments is that all authorized settlements are entirely legal and consistent with international law,[17] despite Israel's armistice agreements all being with High Contracting Parties.[18] In practice, Israel does not accept that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies de jure, but has stated that on humanitarian issues it will govern itself de facto by its provisions, without specifying which these are.[19][20] The majority of legal scholars hold the settlements to violate international law, while others have offered dissenting views supporting the Israeli position.[2]
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Old 01-10-2018, 01:09 PM   #34
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I don't get what you don't get.
https://www.memri.org/tv/mahmoud-zah...erican-embassy

Youre speaking on behalf of palestinians, these palestinians. It isnt about illegal settlements, its about israel even existing.

They are not even palestinians, there never was a state of palestine. They are just muslims doing what muslims do, perpetuating conflict to obtain a specific goal, that goal being the end of israel.

The illegal settlement issue is just UN window dressing crap. Either apply those standards to all, or none.
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Old 01-10-2018, 01:28 PM   #35
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Nobody has condoned that ^^
Just the hypocrisy of making it a cause Cellebre while the rest of the injustices around the world are nothing more than something to donate a few conscience appeasing shekels to
Because you know the joos controls all the moneys n stuff
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It's a pathetic sight: a supposedly moralist movement ignoring a world full of injustice while putting so much of its energy into one single cause. Sort of invalidates the entire claim to be interested in 'justice' doesn't it?

WTF do you think most of the world's present sovereignties are built on if not your "theft, murder, and lying hypocrisy", i.e. conquest?!?

And deflecting about the definition of 'semite'/who is a semite isn't an attempt to clarify the issue, it's an irrelevant linguistic technicality. If you don't know what is commonly understood by the term "anti-semite" then kindly stfu about the entire topic involving Jews and Arabs. It's common usage with an easily understood common meaning. As if you've uncovered any root cause of anything with your definition-of-terms bloviation....LOL.

Sell that partisan baloney filler to them that's buying it. The Jews have no more and no less a right to that land than the Arabs who inherited it from the jihadis who conquered it long after the Israelites laid the foundation stones of their First Temple...whose stones are still there, underneath the Al Aqsa Mosque. Or are you going to demand that Turkey give back Istanbul to the Eastern Orthodox Christians they took it from, and restore the Hagia Sophia Cathedral as such? Which tribe shall we 'give back' the entire North American and South American continents to...shall we divide up the land and give it back to the tribes as they were distributed in 1492...or the way they were distributed a few hundred years later, after they had run each other out of prime territories using the Europeans' horses and firearms? Shall the Apache go back to Texas where they were before the Comanche ran them off, and the Crow go back to Minnesota from their present location in Montana? Or should we go all the way back to the time before their ancestors crossed the Bering Sea land bridge, and force them back to Asia? Do you want to give the rule of Mexico back over to the blood descendants of the Aztecs....because the Aztecs used to hold murderous control over all of their neighbors back before the (evil, terrible, exploitative) Spanish conquered them? Why not tell the Muslims, "Look, all of you invaders are going to have to go back to the Saudi Arabian Peninsula because most of this land you're on once belonged to the Roman Empire, and well, the Italians want it back....and the rest of that land in Asia goes back to the Mongols....and the land in Africa goes back to the dirt-worshipping heathens that Arabs like to massacre and sell into slavery..."? I'm sure that the Welsh would like all of England back from before the time of the Roman invasion, and the Irish most certainly have a legitimate claim on Northern Ireland from before the hated (Norman) English usurped it.

"Many wrongs do not make any right to exist", sure, but refusing to measure so many wrongs with the same yardstick that you insist on using while measuring the Arab-Israeli situation with isn't 'justice' either, is it? The nation you are living in exists because it was taken from some other people in the past...but you're not as concerned about THAT as you are concerned about those poor Arabs (who wish you either dead or muslim btw) and the 'rotten Jews" (who are happy to learn your language, respect your customs, and live among you without converting you by force if necessary). Why are the Palestinian Arabs so unique to you? Why are their 'rights to the land' more deserving of your support than the Tibetans', the Welsh', the Irish', the Pygmys', the Native Americans', etc.? Or are you just a partisan hack hypocrite? In all of history, "We were here first" has been as irrelevant and complicated as Abbot and Costello's 'who's on first' routine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg

What irrelevant drivel.

None of which actually even remotely addresses all of my factual points.
See:
http://forums.liveleak.com/showpost....4&postcount=27
and:
http://forums.liveleak.com/showpost....5&postcount=77

What else isn't new?

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Old 01-10-2018, 04:30 PM   #37
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That would be about the most ridiculous false equivalency I’ve ever heard
Firstly 2 is unequivocally 2, The sum needs no 10 paragraph prelude attempting to link its value to perceived morality, no need to appeal to anyone’s prejudice in order to convince them that 2 is in fact 2
This however is what your outmoded bias attempts to do
So spare me the rhetoric
Truth and facts are truth and facts, all regardless of source.
Apparently, you just have difficulty understanding that fact.
The only bias is your own ignorance of all facts and truths.

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In other words, if you dont apply the rules universally without exception, then stop your inconsequential hater filled prattle.
But as we see with muslims, people who live in echo chambers dont give a fuck about truth or equilibrium.
The only "echo chamber of hate here" are all those that support Israel's false right to exist.
None of them obviously have any interest in the truth and the facts being such apologists.
That is to be expected from such malignant narcissists and such lying hypocrites is it not?

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I do, because all apologists for Israel are lying hypocrites with total disregard for facts and truth.
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https://www.memri.org/tv/mahmoud-zah...erican-embassy

Youre speaking on behalf of palestinians, these palestinians. It isnt about illegal settlements, its about israel even existing.

They are not even palestinians, there never was a state of palestine. They are just muslims doing what muslims do, perpetuating conflict to obtain a specific goal, that goal being the end of israel.

The illegal settlement issue is just UN window dressing crap. Either apply those standards to all, or none.
Thanks for proving my point about all such Israel apologists being all such liars and hypocrites.

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