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Old 04-16-2018, 08:50 PM   #31
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Both .. take a few minutes to go see what the kid is working on from public school.
Guess it comes down to just being involved either way I suppose.
Their are times you have sit down and do a learning process together .. don't let that slip away.
Those are times that have true value for true learning.
Ah, but I wander.
Some peoples parents eh?
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I think kids who are homeschooled are less likely to pick up the wrong type of social skills. If you think the government knows best for your kid then fine, hand em over.
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Neglect and abuse happens in public schools, how many black kids go directly from public school to prison? Homeschooled kids arent feeding the prison system.
That's not social skills you're talking about, that's criminal behavior.
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That's not social skills you're talking about, that's criminal behavior.
they learn their criminal behavior somewhere.
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Looks like these two "parents" had issues besides home schooling ffs.

I'm skeptical about home schooling. On the one hand it's hard to believe that an average parent with nothing more than a high school diploma can possibly provide instruction with the same depth, insight, and detail that a team of professionals holding masters degrees working in a publicly funded school equipped with science labs, film libraries, etc., can. On the other hand, the argument goes that if the home schooled kids pass standardized tests administered by professional third parties then what's the problem.

I doubt that home schooling does as good a job exposing a student to the variety and depth of knowledge that most public schools do, and I'm convinced that home schooling denies the student the opportunities for socialization. It's bad enough when you see a small town yokel who knows not a damn thing about anything or anybody outside of their insular Main Street tumbleweed clique of fellow Babbitts, and is usually proud of it, but meeting an otherwise intelligent individual with all the worldly experience of a lab mouse whose blank ignorance of the world at large hits you long before they tell you that they were "home-schooled" brings forth pity in me. It's one thing to want to protect your kids in grade school from drug abuse, bullies, racial hatreds, and STDs, but keeping them tied to Mommy and Daddy's apron strings at home, segregated from the world, simply postpones their 'real world education' IMO. And what's the probability that working parents with multiple kids are possibly going to have the time, energy, or expertise to offer the experiences that school clubs, athletic teams, and field trips offer? Fat Fucking Chance.

Home schooling is tailor made for abuses: religious nutjobs wanting complete control over their children's intellectual capacity, foster child harvesters reaping further profits by denying their kids adequate food or clothing (or any other care) in isolation from outside monitoring, the child labor around the homestead work gang bosses (I ain't never needed much book-learnin' meself...neither do you...), and other things completely isolated kids are more at risk for. Looks like these two mothers went unhinged.
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Looks like these two "parents" had issues besides home schooling ffs.

I'm skeptical about home schooling. On the one hand it's hard to believe that an average parent with nothing more than a high school diploma can possibly provide instruction with the same depth, insight, and detail that a team of professionals holding masters degrees working in a publicly funded school equipped with science labs, film libraries, etc., can. On the other hand, the argument goes that if the home schooled kids pass standardized tests administered by professional third parties then what's the problem.

I doubt that home schooling does as good a job exposing a student to the variety and depth of knowledge that most public schools do, and I'm convinced that home schooling denies the student the opportunities for socialization. It's bad enough when you see a small town yokel who knows not a damn thing about anything or anybody outside of their insular Main Street tumbleweed clique of fellow Babbitts, and is usually proud of it, but meeting an otherwise intelligent individual with all the worldly experience of a lab mouse whose blank ignorance of the world at large hits you long before they tell you that they were "home-schooled" brings forth pity in me. It's one thing to want to protect your kids in grade school from drug abuse, bullies, racial hatreds, and STDs, but keeping them tied to Mommy and Daddy's apron strings at home, segregated from the world, simply postpones their 'real world education' IMO. And what's the probability that working parents with multiple kids are possibly going to have the time, energy, or expertise to offer the experiences that school clubs, athletic teams, and field trips offer? Fat Fucking Chance.

Home schooling is tailor made for abuses: religious nutjobs wanting complete control over their children's intellectual capacity, foster child harvesters reaping further profits by denying their kids adequate food or clothing (or any other care) in isolation from outside monitoring, the child labor around the homestead work gang bosses (I ain't never needed much book-learnin' meself...neither do you...), and other things completely isolated kids are more at risk for. Looks like these two mothers went unhinged.

What a load of bollocks!

Homeschooling isn't the issue anymore than guns are when it comes to any such tragedies.
Abuses are from nutcases and those charged to protect the public from them are negligent.
Public Schools are indoctrination prisons for the social-Marxist brainwashing of innocent children and to dumb them all down to the lowest common denominator.
The kids I have seen that are homeschooled are much more competent and well-behaved than are those in those Public School prison camps.

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Old 04-17-2018, 04:16 PM   #36
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If you want your kid the best chance in life, find a way to get them into private schools ... the Catholic (yeah, i know, insert pedo priest joke here) school system is the best unless you can afford a place like Philips Exeter or Andover ... they offer tuition assistance and usually breakfast and lunch are available with the tuition ... the curriculum is topnotch having been a descendant of Trinity College ... theology is barely a requirement these days ...

all 3 of my kids went to college on scholarships ...

my wife would be in an insane asylum right had she had those 3 monsters at home all day for homeschooling ...
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What a load of bollocks!

Homeschooling isn't the issue anymore than guns are when it comes to any such tragedies.
Reread the very first sentence you quoted before you click your lips to full auto, idiot. If you yourself are an example of the "more competent and well behaved" product of a home schooling quality education then you've proved my point splendidly.


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Abuses are from nutcases and those charged to protect the public from them are negligent.
Public Schools are indoctrination prisons for the social-Marxist brainwashing of innocent children and to dumb them all down to the lowest common denominator.
The kids I have seen that are homeschooled are much more competent and well-behaved than are those in those Public School prison camps.
No question that most public schools leave a lot to be desired, but your "prison camp" hyperbole is right down there with the paranoiacs' fearmongering about 'russian/chinese troops are massing in large numbers in secret bases across the USA/the UN is getting ready to declare martial law/there is a plastic bag in a FEMA camp with your soc sec number on it..." hysteria. Home schooling is probably better than sending your kids to a dysfunctional ghetto school, but better yet is to move out of the ghetto shithole in the first place, eh?

The antidote for public school shortcomings isn't found by keeping your kids at home, wrapping them in plastic bubbles, and giving them a do-it-yourself education at the kitchen table. It's found by participating in regular extracurricular education discussions debunking some of the marketing bullshit, PC bullshit, and educational bullshit thrown at every kid long before they ever reach college age. You don't produce a sharp blade by protecting raw ore from heat, blows, and abrasion. You produce it in a heated forge, hammering it into shape, and then sharpen it by grinding its edge against stones. Your private home is the forge, but it is the practiced grinding against idiocy like yours out in public which puts a fine edge on a dull blade.
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Reread the very first sentence you quoted before you click your lips to full auto, idiot. If you yourself are an example of the "more competent and well behaved" product of a home schooling quality education then you've proved my point splendidly.
Yawn.
I actually read your entire post, and it was all just bollocks, and as I had just previously stated.
Your lying hypocrisy is typical of the Malignant Narcissism that you were taught in Public Schools.

And you are the "dull blade" and the cheap product of all such mass-produced and mass-induced mediocrity.
Even cheap products "Made in China" do trump all of your many ignorant logical fallacies that you so falsely do mistake for being "reasoning and logic".

Let your own children be mentally and physically abused in those PC Social-Marxist brainwashing prison camps that all such morons just like you do so typically favor.
Give more intelligent others their own freedom not to be forced to do so.

"GIGO", or when it comes to food, as well with education, or information, or really​ actually anything.
You also just can't made a silk purse out of a cow's ear!
Or a sharp Damascus blade especially without the proper technique and materials in the first place!
Cretin.

Homeschooling is true educational craftsmanship verses Public School or the mass-production of dumbed-down, conformist, unconscious, and delusional consumer robots, that are all just like you!

What else isn't new?

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Yawn.
I actually read your entire post, and it was all just bollocks, and as I had just previously stated.
Your lying hypocrisy is typical of the Malignant Narcissism that you were taught in Public Schools.

And you are the "dull blade" and the cheap product of all such mass-produced and mass-induced mediocrity.
Even cheap products "Made in China" do trump all of your many ignorant logical fallacies that you so falsely do mistake for being "reasoning and logic".

Let your own children be mentally and physically abused in those PC Social-Marxist brainwashing prison camps that all such morons just like you do so typically favor.
Give more intelligent others their own freedom not to be forced to do so.

"GIGO", or when it comes to food, as well with education, or information, or really​ actually anything.
You also just can't made a silk purse out of a cow's ear!
Or a sharp Damascus blade especially without the proper technique and materials in the first place!
Cretin.

Homeschooling is true educational craftsmanship verses Public School or the mass-production of dumbed-down, conformist, unconscious, and delusional consumer robots, that are all just like you!

What else isn't new?
I disagree with your opinion of home schooling and the way you go about posting your opinions is idiotic.

See, you can disagree without resorting to throwing around a bunch of baseless technical jargon like a chimp throwing feces-smeared bananas! "Hypocrisy", "Malignant Narcissism", "socialist-Marxist brainwashing prison camps"....you spew out jargonistic terms as if using them makes up for your complete lack of thoughtful content. Your bullshit terminology is really the substitute for intellectual content, not any indication that you have any to offer. Your logical dysfunction is on display here when you post, "Even cheap products "Made in China" do trump all of your many ignorant logical fallacies that you so falsely do mistake for being "reasoning and logic". How can cheap products Made In China in any way "trump many logical fallacies"? (And a logical fallacy presupposes ignorance, so your addition of the word "ignorant" is an ignorant redundancy/uneducated bloviating.) Any first year college english writing course instructor would tear that down along with the rest of your gibberish with a great big bloody red pen. You don't posit a single shred of even a postulated justification for your labeling home schooling as "true educational craftsmanship", whatever that means. You're all smoke, no fire.

I pity you if you were "physically and psychologically abused" in some sort of prison camp as a child. Perhaps your delicate constitution was better suited for the home school bubble.
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I disagree with your opinion of home schooling and the way you go about posting your opinions is idiotic.
Likewise.
The only difference being that your opinion is actually baseless and ignorant.
Homeschooling is far better and for both students and also for their parents.
See:
https://hslda.org/content/docs/nche/.../200410250.asp
"Conclusion
These statistics point to one conclusion: homeschooling works. Even many of the State Departments of Education, which are generally biased toward the public school system, cannot argue with these facts. Not only does homeschooling work, but it works without the myriad of state controls and accreditation standards imposed on the public schools.


This memorandum is an excerpt from Appendix 1 of Home Schooling in the United States: A Legal Analysis, by Christopher J. Klicka, Esq., a volume covering the laws for homeschooling in all U.S. states and territories.
These and many other statistics on homeschooling are also covered in Home Schooling: The Right Choice, also by Christopher Klicka. This book is a comprehensive home schooling handbook. It covers the biblical basis for home schooling and the constitutional right to home school, as well as home schooling's history and benefits, academic success through college, how-to tips, teaching children with special needs, handling social workers, rights in the military, and much, much more!
Both of these books can be ordered by contacting Home School Legal Defense Association - http://www.hslda.org, 540-338-5600, info@hslda.org.
Copyright 2004, Home School Legal Defense Association. Permission to reprint is granted.

Endnotes

i Dr. Brian Ray, Strengths of Their Own: Home Schoolers Across America, National Home Education Research Institute, Salem, OR, 1997.
ii Lawrence M. Rudner, Ph.D., Director of the ERIC Clearing House on Assessment and Evaluation, Home Schooling Works: The Scholastic Achievement and Demographic Characteristics of Home School Students in 1998, published by the Home School Legal Defense Association, Purcellville, VA 20134, www.HSLDA.org. ERIC is sponsored by the National Library Services of the U.S. Department of Education.
iii Dr. Brian Ray, Strengths of Their Own: Home Schoolers Across America, National Home Education Research Institute, Salem, OR, 1997
iv Id.
v Rudner, Home Schooling Works: The Scholastic Achievement and Demographic Characteristics of Home School Students in 1998
vi Dr. Brian Ray, Strengths of Their Own: Home Schoolers Across America.
vii Klicka, Christopher, The Right Choice: Home Schooling, Noble Publishing, p.135-136.
viii "Study Shows Homeschoolers Ahead in Achievement," The Grapevine: Montana Home School News, January, 1991 newsletter, Seeley Lake, MT, p. 6.
ix Statistics compiled by the National Center For Home Education, P.O. Box 125, Paeonian Springs, VA 22129 in 1990.
x Dr. Brian Ray, "A Nationwide Study of Home Education: Family Characteristics, Legal Matters, and Student Achievement," National Home Education Research Institute, Seattle, WA, 1990, p. 53-54.
xi Id. p. 53.
xii "PA Homeschooled Students Score High!" article which appeared in "Pennsylvania Homeschoolers" newsletter, Fall 1990, Issue #33, Kittanning, PA p1.
xiii Psychological Corporation, San Antonio, TX.
xiv Jon Wartes, "Report From the 1988 Washington Home School Testing," February, 1989. This report is the result of the findings of the Washington Home School Research Project conducted by 13 public school educators and home schoolers.
xv Brian Ray, Education and Urban Society, vol.21 No.1, November, 1988 16-31 (Newbury Park, CA).
xvi "Home Schoolers Excel," The Home School Court Report, Vol. 3, No.1, January-February, 1987.
xvii "Home Schooling: An Idea Whose Time Has Returned," Human Events, September 15, 1984.
xviii Christopher J. Klicka, "Homeschooled Students Excel in College."
xix Office of the Commissioner, Tennessee Department of Education, Home School Student Test Results: 1986 and 1987, (Nashville, 1987).
xx "North Carolina Home School Nationally Standardized Achievement Test Results 88-89 School Term," (Raleigh, Office of the Governor, Division of Non-Public Education, Dec. 1, 1989).
xxi "Standardized Test Results," Update, (Little Rock, Arkansas Christian Home Education Association, Sept. 1988), Vol. 7, No. 1. This newsletter reported on test results compiled by the Arkansas Department of Education of 760 home schooled students.
xxii Arizona Department of Education, Students Taught at Home 1989 Average Grade Equivalents, compiled by Steve Stephens, State Testing Coordinator, July 1989. For earlier statistics for Arizona home schoolers success on standardized tests see article by Patricia Lines, "States Should Help, Not Hinder, Parents' Home Schooling Efforts," Education Week, May 15, 1985.
xxiii "Grade Level Placement of Rule 13 Students Returning to Approved or Accredited Schools" Dateline: Education, June, 1989.
xxiv Teaching Home Magazine, "Albuquerque Home Schoolers Score High," Portland, OR, April/May 1989, p.21.
xxv Roy Weaver, "Home Tutorials vs. Public Schools in Los Angeles," Phi Delta Kappan, (December, 1980), pp. 254-255.
xxvi "Home-Taught Students Surpass Public School Peers at Basic Skills," statistics taken from The Greenville News, (Greenville, S.C. August 3, 1990)."
And:
https://www.trueaimeducation.com/why-homeschool/
And:
https://www.mariannesunderland.com/2...chooling-good/
And:
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-k...chooled-2016-8

It is also clear that the use of "analogy" is actually not your strong suit either.
The only one using such false straw-man or logical fallacies has been yourself.
That is far "cheaper" than is "Made in China" when it comes to "true reasoning".
Cretin.

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I pity you if you were "physically and psychologically abused" in some sort of prison camp as a child. Perhaps your delicate constitution was better suited for the home school bubble.
I do highly doubt it, as you are all in favor here of all of those actual prison camp Public Schools that are actually "physically and psychologically abusing" vs. any of the the far better, for both children students and their own parents, with their freedom to Home-school.
See:
https://whitebiocentrism.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1316

I, quite unlike yourself, do not believe in any such child abuse, or neglect, and lack of due care.
I also had actually survived the prison camp Public Schools, but, quite unlike yourself, you just
all still apparently do have Stockholm Syndrome.
See:
https://www.britannica.com/science/Stockholm-syndrome

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