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Old 04-14-2018, 10:18 PM   #1
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Default Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not

Probability of release of information on source of toxin by the UK zero..

Still should require some explanation why its testing 'as made in the US/UK' not Russia.

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Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian

Russia’s foreign minister says Moscow has received a document from a Swiss lab that analyzed the samples in the nerve agent poisoning of an ex-Russian spy, which points at a Western-designed nerve agent as a likely cause.

Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday that Moscow received the confidential information from the laboratory in Spiez, Switzerland, that analyzed samples from the site of the March 4 poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter in the English city of Salisbury.

He said the analysis was done at the request of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.

The OPCW’s report confirmed British findings that the Skripals were poisoned with a military-grade nerve agent, but didn’t say who was responsible.

Britain has accused Russia of poisoning them with a Soviet-designed agent, an accusation that Moscow denies.

Lavrov said the document indicated that the samples from Salisbury contained BZ nerve agent and its precursor. He said BZ was part of chemical arsenals of the U.S., Britain and other NATO countries, while the Soviet Union and Russia never developed the agent.

Lavrov added that the Swiss lab also pointed at the presence of the nerve agent A234 in the samples, but added that the lab noted that its presence in the samples appeared strange, given the substance’s high volatility and the relatively long period between the poisoning and the sample-taking.

He noted that OPCW’s report didn’t contain any mention of BZ, adding that Russia will ask the chemical weapons watchdog for an explanation.

Britain said that the A234 agent belonged to the family of Soviet-designed nerve agents dubbed Novichok.

Yulia Skripal, 33, was released from the hospital this week. Her father remains hospitalized but British health officials say he is improving.

https://nypost.com/2018/04/14/russia...igned-in-west/
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Old 04-14-2018, 10:21 PM   #2
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:32 AM   #3
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Iím shocked
I know, I am too!
That people would actually believe these blatant lies, and take them serious.

Here's the website for the Swiss lab mentioned.

https://www.labor-spiez.ch/en/lab/

https://www.labor-spiez.ch/en/lab/

Nothing on the website says this.
As a public institute, if they found it, they are obligated, by law, to say it.
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:36 AM   #4
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So the Swiss lab said:

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the Swiss lab also pointed at the presence of the nerve agent A234 in the samples
The British said:
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Britain said that the A234 agent belonged to the family of Soviet-designed nerve agents dubbed Novichok.
And somehow the Russians don't want us to conclude it's Novichok?

You do realize that if the Swiss lab and the British lab found traces of Novichok, it's Novichok, right?

btw, the USA, the UK and all NATO countries have never had novichok at all. It is purely a Soviet, now Russian/ nerve agent.
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:56 AM   #5
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So the Swiss lab said:



The British said:


And somehow the Russians don't want us to conclude it's Novichok?

You do realize that if the Swiss lab and the British lab found traces of Novichok, it's Novichok, right?

btw, the USA, the UK and all NATO countries have never had novichok at all. It is purely a Soviet, now Russian/ nerve agent.
you know the old adage..
"Those who do, accuse others of what they do.'
That school yard bully, when caught doing wrong, then blames others for doing it.
for a press that exploits sex and blood, it fits in with the front page diatribe, while the truth and retraction is buried deep, pages back.
This is nothing new.
Been going on for centuries.
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:59 AM   #6
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Such a bad ass poison and they survived.
Did not even get immediate attention as they were found all jacked up already.
To use a weapon that pretty much points to one entity.
Seems odd.
I would use something more generic.
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Such a bad ass poison and they survived.
Did not even get immediate attention as they were found all jacked up already.
To use a weapon that pretty much points to one entity.
Seems odd.
I would use something more generic.
The UK was saying it was Novichok the day it happened, how would they know?
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The UK was saying it was Novichok the day it happened, how would they know?
Citation please
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Within days of the attack, political pressure began to mount on Theresa May's government to take action against the perpetrators, and most politicians appeared to believe that the Russian government was behind the attack. Weeks before the blood tests even came back.
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Within days of the attack, political pressure began to mount on Theresa May's government to take action against the perpetrators, and most politicians appeared to believe that the Russian government was behind the attack. Weeks before the blood tests even came back.
There doesn't need to be a blood test for a nerve agent.

Like most nerve agents, novichok isn't really a gas. It's a particulate that's put into an aerosol. The particulates were all over the place and even people who weren't there immediately got hit with it via contact with the particulates before they went inert. The blood doesn't need to be tested, just a sample of the particulate and nerve agents work by using lots and lots of particulates. It's an imprecise thing to use. Also, the british press called it poison the first day, not a nerve agent.
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