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Old 05-28-2018, 11:15 PM   #11
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Free will is itself a cause.
Consciousness creates reality.
The First Cause was Pure Mind.
Our own minds recognize it, making the world intelligible.

These statements of absolutes you are making have been shown repeatedly to be false.
There is no such thing as 'free will' in a pure and absolute form.
At best, the 'will' is 'elemental', relative, flawed, imperfect.

Thus cannot be a cause, but is an effect, that your so called 'reality' imposes upon physical corporeal existence.
So that the finite universe created a finite corporeal consciousness.
Being finite, there cannot be a 'Pure Mind', or as it's said a "First Thought".
That implies an infinite godhead in a finite universe.
Which is a logical dichotomy, that cannot be reduced.
Which the human mind rejects, especially in these times, because we don't need an esoteric godhead, no matter how you conceive it, to explain our finite existence.
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Old 05-28-2018, 11:41 PM   #12
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The reason I posted this article was to show that our so called 'free will' is already calculated to the far fringes of the normalized curve.
The mass data, the AI algorithms have predicted EVERYTHING we think or do.
Our will is no longer free, because it is easily calculated, predicted, known before hand.


What this means to the OP article?
There are underlying constants and variables to the known math.
The machines will figure it out for us, because we humans are nearing the end of our intellectual capabilities.
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Old 05-28-2018, 11:49 PM   #13
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The reason I posted this article was to show that our so called 'free will' is already calculated to the far fringes of the normalized curve.
The mass data, the AI algorithms have predicted EVERYTHING we think or do.
Our will is no longer free, because it is easily calculated, predicted, known before hand.


What this means to the OP article?
There are underlying constants and variables to the known math.
The machines will figure it out for us, because we humans are nearing the end of our intellectual capabilities.
Ive had you figured out for a long time, you do a figure 8 movement from your fridge to your tv and computer to your toilet, your free will is as good as Free Willy's.
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Old 05-29-2018, 12:00 AM   #14
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The reason I posted this article was to show that our so called 'free will' is already calculated to the far fringes of the normalized curve.
The mass data, the AI algorithms have predicted EVERYTHING we think or do.
Our will is no longer free, because it is easily calculated, predicted, known before hand.


What this means to the OP article?
There are underlying constants and variables to the known math.
The machines will figure it out for us, because we humans are nearing the end of our intellectual capabilities.
Zealotry is the common thread that ties all religious ideologies
Edit: I had meant to quote your post previous to the above
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Zealotry is the common thread that ties all religious ideologies
Edit: I had meant to quote your post previous to the above

The qualification to your statement that I would make is that zealotry is not exclusive to religion.
I think you understand what I mean.
The zealot appears within all human endeavors, no matter what it is.
Even math and science has it's zealots.
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Ive had you figured out for a long time, you do a figure 8 movement from your fridge to your tv and computer to your toilet, your free will is as good as Free Willy's.

More like a folded space mandelbrot set.
I rarely watch TV, I got a basement, I go outside a lot, and travel in my truck great distances.
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More like a folded space mandelbrot set.
I rarely watch TV, I got a basement, I go outside a lot, and travel in my truck great distances.
Is the Dairy Queen a great distance away?
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These statements of absolutes you are making have been shown repeatedly to be false.
There is no such thing as 'free will' in a pure and absolute form.
At best, the 'will' is 'elemental', relative, flawed, imperfect.

Thus cannot be a cause, but is an effect, that your so called 'reality' imposes upon physical corporeal existence.
So that the finite universe created a finite corporeal consciousness.
Being finite, there cannot be a 'Pure Mind', or as it's said a "First Thought".
That implies an infinite godhead in a finite universe.
Which is a logical dichotomy, that cannot be reduced.
Which the human mind rejects, especially in these times, because we don't need an esoteric godhead, no matter how you conceive it, to explain our finite existence.
What absolutes?
Repeatedly false by whom and how exactly?
There is a free will and it is the cause of our co-reality, as is also the free will of the First Cause of All Reality.

That First Cause and First Will is eternal and is Panentheism and it also perhaps transcends the Cosmos.
You are just wrong, yet again, and as is usual here.
The Godhead is both within us and it also transcends us, as the Mind of the Cosmos does our own minds.
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The reason I posted this article was to show that our so called 'free will' is already calculated to the far fringes of the normalized curve.
The mass data, the AI algorithms have predicted EVERYTHING we think or do.
Our will is no longer free, because it is easily calculated, predicted, known before hand.


What this means to the OP article?
There are underlying constants and variables to the known math.
The machines will figure it out for us, because we humans are nearing the end of our intellectual capabilities.
Of course, that article is just complete bs!
Why?
Because our will is always actually free and totally regardless what any AI computer can predict.
Why?
Because the best any such AI computer can do is just predict probabilities and not ever any absolute certainty about what we ever can think or do.

Math is our invention as are computers and these tools will enhance both our free will and our intellectal capabilities by doing what they do best: analysis and converting raw data into useful information for us.

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