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Old 07-13-2017, 02:10 PM   #11
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This part is extremely problematic, to turn a phrase...


Great, so if some tweeker takes a baseball bat to someone's front door to look for stuff to pawn, it's no biggie 'cause black tweekers do that.

Before you call me a racist for saying black tweekers do that, the entire point of these two bills is keep blacks out of jail because the racial imbalance in criminal convictions and sentencing is racist. That's an admission right there......that drug related property crimes are disproportionately committed by blacks. There is no other way to interpret that line of reasoning.

I won't be in Oregon anytime soon.

It's like the exact opposite of Texas.
Can't anybody find some sort of reasonable middle ground?

There's no reason in the world someone should have to worry about a joint of weed giving them a criminal record to follow them for the rest of their lives , and I'm all for treating many people's addiction for what it is , a health issue , right up until that point that your health issue becomes a legal one of theft , violence or any combination of the 2.
The health issue of addiction will immediately change to one of lead poisoning upon crossing of that line.

Big mistake . Health issues are health issues , and crime is crime. I'm really not sure what's so difficult about distinguishing between the 2 .
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Old 07-13-2017, 04:00 PM   #12
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welp, I found a reason to not get clean.
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Some hard drugs should be banned from planet earth. Howabout them apples.
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Old 07-14-2017, 12:21 AM   #14
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Meth and Heroin to a certain point. If it's a user, stick them in mandatory rehab. If it's a dealer with weight, lock em up.
I'm not talking about dealers, I'm talking about ppl who just have a small amount, like a users amount. That should never be a felony, IMO
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Old 07-14-2017, 12:26 AM   #15
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This part is extremely problematic, to turn a phrase...


Great, so if some tweeker takes a baseball bat to someone's front door to look for stuff to pawn, it's no biggie 'cause black tweekers do that.

Before you call me a racist for saying black tweekers do that, the entire point of these two bills is keep blacks out of jail because the racial imbalance in criminal convictions and sentencing is racist. That's an admission right there......that drug related property crimes are disproportionately committed by blacks. There is no other way to interpret that line of reasoning.

I won't be in Oregon anytime soon.
I don't think that's the point of this bill at all considering, for one, that it's Oregon, not a big black population and #2, heroin, which has made a notorious comeback the last decade or so, has mainly gone up among white people. And the rates of drug and alcohol violations of white and black ppl are about the same, from what I understand. One of the only crimes where the rates are about the same, from what I understand. Or if you've got something to show I'm wrong, by all means, show me
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Old 07-14-2017, 12:48 AM   #16
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That bit Aquina put up is indeed worrying...are yer still allowed to shoot them if they burgle yer house?
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That bit Aquina put up is indeed worrying...are yer still allowed to shoot them if they burgle yer house?
Yes, I know this much: happened in my town last summer. Methead tweaker was banging on this guy's door with a club, threatening the owner to open or he was breaking in, owner brought out rifle, told guy if he comes in he'll shoot him, tweaker broke in anyway and got shot.

No charges.
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Old 07-14-2017, 02:14 AM   #18
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I agree once it crosses the line of crime and violence, obviously time to go to jail! But in no way does this bill make it ok to commit property or violent crime.


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It's like the exact opposite of Texas.
Can't anybody find some sort of reasonable middle ground?

There's no reason in the world someone should have to worry about a joint of weed giving them a criminal record to follow them for the rest of their lives , and I'm all for treating many people's addiction for what it is , a health issue , right up until that point that your health issue becomes a legal one of theft , violence or any combination of the 2.
The health issue of addiction will immediately change to one of lead poisoning upon crossing of that line.

Big mistake . Health issues are health issues , and crime is crime. I'm really not sure what's so difficult about distinguishing between the 2 .
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Old 07-14-2017, 02:55 AM   #19
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...because only a little bit of heroin, ecstasy, meth, or molly is ok.....

Perfect example or the fact that either you draw the line somewhere and say, "No. Nothing more than this. Period.", or you become willing to erase the line and redraw it wherever you want at a later time....which is the same as having no line/limit at all.

Well, I only molested her a little.... Well, I only had sex with the dog once.... Well, it was only my first DUI.... Well, it was only my first fatality.... Well, I only hit her once.... Well, I only took it a few times.... Well, I wasn't selling it to kids under 12...... Well, it's only a mild case of herpes.... Well, I didn't mean for it to go so badly...

And we're going to nod our head and allow it.
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:18 AM   #20
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...because only a little bit of heroin, ecstasy, meth, or molly is ok.....

Perfect example or the fact that either you draw the line somewhere and say, "No. Nothing more than this. Period.", or you become willing to erase the line and redraw it wherever you want at a later time....which is the same as having no line/limit at all.
No, that is just your interpretation, when in reality, it's just moving the line so it's not so draconian.

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Well, I only molested her a little.... Well, I only had sex with the dog once.... Well, it was only my first DUI.... Well, it was only my first fatality.... Well, I only hit her once.... Well, I only took it a few times.... Well, I wasn't selling it to kids under 12...... Well, it's only a mild case of herpes.... Well, I didn't mean for it to go so badly...
So you're comparing having a little bit of coke to child nolestation?

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melodramatic much??? Lol
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