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I remember that he did make it sound like mexico quite literally would pay for it "out of pocket" though , but anybody who believed that, himself included would just be kidding themselves . I don't even know how you begin to force another country to finance something of that magnitude directly , outside of war reparations or something imposed by the international community.
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The money allocated for the wall is miniscule compared to so many other things in the budget. I never expected Mexico to come up with the money first or we can't build the wall. The idea was build it, and when Trump said we'll get Mexico to pay for it, that was just icing on the cake, a slap in Mexico's face, that's all. The idea of Mexico paying for the wall is not the attraction to the wall here. And don't be surprised if we do build the wall and Trump, via trade war, taxing imports etc actually gets Mexico to at least pitch in. So then what? All people can say is "The wall he built, he said Mexico was going to pay for it but we are paying for it." Oh boo-hoo, I guarantee you 95% of Trump supporters don't give a shit WHO pays for the wall, making Mexico pay for it is just fun icing on the cake and a slap in the face to Mexico. So holler all you want about "He said Mexico was going to pay for it", and mark my words, if it gets built, he'll find a way to make Mexico pay, if not for the whole thing, for some of it, and that's just fine with me and probably most other Trump supporters in favor of the wall. Even if Mexico never forks over a dime and the wall gets built, it is a win.
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I also focused on the promise of building of the wall ,not the hyperbole - hell just start enforcing the current laws, that would be an improvement. Its really sad that as a nation we were able to mass produce a war machine to defeat the Axis Power in 4 years, but now we balk at the thought of building a fucking wall. Our ancestors are rolling in their graves.
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Hell, right now...Trump is the wall. Illegal immigration is way down, ICE is deporting busloads of illegal felons and criminals who are here, and this is having a dramatic effect on the desire of foreigners to enter this country illegally. You come to my country illegally to get out of your shithole country, then you commit crimes? Fuck you, you're gone. Just enforcing the laws is actually saving lives also, not just from felonies committed by illegals here in the US, but also in that the number of people who die or become victims of rape or other violent crimes as they make illegal passage via the Coyotes, or however, to the United States is down because the actual number of people trying to get in illegally is way down. Just the fear of Trump and his wall has erected a wall in and of itself.
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The very first day Donald Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall, I didn't believe it. I assumed all along that there would not be an outright payment from Mexico to build the wall. When I read the details that were written down, I realized Trump did not mean directly but rather through other financial means.
Two points on that: 1) Trump wasn't lying by modern political standards. Every Senator, almost every congressman and definitely every President and every presidential candidate has boasted about things that "pay for themselves" or about how this or that is going to paid for or covered. Look how many times Obama said Obamacare would pay for itself and premiums would go down. Was he lying? We know Jonathan Gruber was lying when he said it and he's the hack politico who had the job of selling Obamacare to the American people. Now, if he said he knew it was a lie and everyone behind Obamacare knew it was a lie, then I think it's pretty obvious that Obamacare was sold on a lie that it would "pay for itself" and Premiums would go down. So I'm wondering who the idiot is who after years of listening to politicians, if not decades, is stupid enough to believe politicians when they talk about who is going to pay what and what programs are actually going to cost. 2) For those who think they have a point by saying over and over again that Trump voters were deceived by Trumps "We're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it", I just laugh at the hysteria. Even though I knew it wasn't going to be an outright payment and Trump's actual policy statement said it was going to be done by alternate financial methods, I was more bemused and entertained by the left's freak out about it. I thought it was absolutely highlarious when Vincente Fox was stupid enough to go on our national news programs and say "Mexico is not going to pay for the fucking wall". The fact that every lefty, in the tank for HER show replayed it, as if Vincente Fox is anything but a total fuck up of a Mexican country and Mexico isn't a fucked up country itself. As if the guy who presided over the rise of the Cartels and leeched off America for 30% of the Mexican GDP should be saying anything at all about our presidential races. I thought it was one of the most entertaining things in the world to watch that country of corruption, drugs and murder try to tell us anything and Democrats repeat it as if the point didn't have the exact opposite effect to any thinking American. I just Loved it, LOVED IT, when Trump retorted that the wall just got ten feet higher. It was about time a politician finally said some shit to Mexico about their shit. It was so far more American than Obama's ridiculous point about "they shouldn't have to learn English. Maybe we should learn Spanish". The shit stain of a President that can only speak American English said that. That stupid shit stain who doesn't know how to pronounce "corpseman" and talked about speaking "Austrian". If you want to know why Trump won, it's because he said he was going to make Mexico pay for the wall and the wall just got ten feet higher. Srsly, you want Trump supporters to turn on him because you think we didn't take him literally enough in his campaign promises? ROFLMAO!!!! Show me the damn presidential candidate in the last fifty years, hell the last 100 years, who didn't say to the people how something was going to be paid for and didn't lie through his teeth? At least Trump's "lie" rustled the jimmies of all the right people.
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All news is biased, we can barely define the legitimacy of a story based on bias these days. From CNN, to Fox, to MSNBC to Breitbart. They're all biased.
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Trump's website with his campaign policy positions looks like it was taken down but OnceProud posted the page on the "The Donald Built a Juggernaut!" Thread.
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Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.
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I'd much rather fund the wall with my tax dollars than hand it over for illegal entitlements. In the long run, Mexico will pay for it in the form of reduced access to American taxpayer wealth. If you want to take trump's "Mexico will pay for it" literally, as if the federal government of Mexico would hand over the money to construct the Wall....then you're an idiot. Mexico will pay for the Wall in the reduced US currency sent home to Mexico by fewer illegal immigrants working in the US.
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$1.6B a fully funded wall does not make. Trump himself said it'd be about $10B ("TRUMP: Oh I’m seeing numbers — $24 billion, I think I’ll do it for $10 billion or less. "). Also, how long will it take, and how much more will it cost for the federal government to seize the private property along the border on which the fence will be built?
$100M to hire only 500 more border patrol agents? That's a huge scam! Doing the math, that's $200K per. Border patrol agents start at about $38K. Sorry. Not buying it. Quote:
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