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Old 04-13-2016, 06:37 PM   #11
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Btw, arguing or debating isn't my thing. If you care to enlightenment me further on my path of enlightenment than I will listen. Otherwise, I have things to do.
This is all I have unless you have direct questions.

I am a Gnostic Christian, Our beliefs are not what Christianity says they are. We lost the God wars and they distorted our belief system. The lies have been known since the findings of our scriptures and myths at Nag Hammadi.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

Gnostic Christianity is a teaching system from Jesus but not the one the church ever dares to teach. It frees us from religion and that is of course not what religions want. They never want the student to graduate as they might lose revenue and people.

Here is a bit of history as well as a nutshell version of how that freedom is gained.

Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers after God. God here I define as the best laws and rules to live life with.

We believe that those laws and rules, as Jesus said, are found in our minds/hearts. I use the following to try to illustrate this notion. A bit of history and then a mindset and method to do what I promote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02...list=PLCBF574D

The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized to activate your higher mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRN...layer_embedded

This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human and a brethren to Jesus.

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Old 04-13-2016, 06:38 PM   #12
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Even (some) Atheists believe Man is inherently bad, their own form of original sin.
Sure, but the evidence says otherwise.

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Isn't "gnostic christian" an oxymoron?
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Old 04-13-2016, 06:43 PM   #14
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Even (some) Atheists believe Man is inherently bad, their own form of original sin.
Please show me proof of "some".

Atheists believe man in inherently GOOD, as we are.
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Old 04-13-2016, 06:46 PM   #15
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Judaism's Rejection of Original Sin



Saint Augustine (354-430) was the first theologian to teach that man is born into this world in a state of sin. The basis of his belief is from the Bible (Genesis 3:17-19) where Adam is described as having disobeyed G-d by eating the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden. This, the first sin of man, became known as original sin.

Many Christians today, particularly members of the Anglican, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, and Presbyterian Churches, subscribe to this belief. They maintain that the sin of Adam was transferred to all future generations, tainting even the unborn. Substantiation for this view is found in the New Testament (Romans 5:12) where Paul says, "Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. By one man's disobedience many were made sinners."

Christianity believes that only through the acceptance of Jesus that the "grace" of G-d can return to man. A Christian need only believe in Jesus to be saved; nothing else is required of her.

The doctrine of original sin is totally unacceptable to Jews (as it is to Christian sects such as Baptists and Assemblies of G-d). Jews believe that man enters the world free of sin, with a soul that is pure and innocent and untainted. While there were some Jewish teachers in Talmudic times who believed that death was a punishment brought upon mankind on account of Adam's sin, the dominant view by far was that man sins because he is not a perfect being, and not, as Christianity teaches, because he is inherently sinful.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...ginal_Sin.html

News to me as well.
Thanks for this.

Jews also see us gaining in Eden. They call it Original Virtue.

Strange that Christianity reads --- The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil, --- as a curse and evil while Jews and Gnostic Christians read it as a blessing.

I speak of Eden here if you care to opine.

http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?t=117503

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Isn't "gnostic christian" an oxymoron?
Only to the uneducated.

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Please show me proof of "some".

Atheists believe man in inherently GOOD, as we are.

Every time you hear someone say the planet would be better off without mankind, ask them what religion they are.
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Every time you hear someone say the planet would be better off without mankind, ask them what religion they are.
lol the planet would be better off without mankind. How can that even be contested? We're talking about "The Planet". I'm not saying i'm an advocate of the destruction of humanity. I want to live just as anyone else. Just saying, without human beings, the planet would indeed be a much more beautiful and healthy planet.

Let's say we have beings traveling through the cosmos who are able to go from planet to planet. They see Earth as it is now with it's trashy cities, pollution and many areas where natural habitat has been ruined. Then somewhere else in the galaxy, they see these other planets, full of lively rain forests, jungles, animals ect...

Which would you say was the healthier more beautiful planet? Which planet would you consider, "better off"? In terms of the existence of the planet itself.
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I couldn't give a short odorless fart for any of the religions but the notion that they are responsible for the concept of salvation and life after death is mistaken
the idea that we we can defeat death is hard wired into us from the time the first rock ape considered his mortality
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I couldn't give a short odorless fart for any of the religions but the notion that they are responsible for the concept of salvation and life after death is mistaken
the idea that we we can defeat death is hard wired into us from the time the first rock ape considered his mortality
Do you have some evidence for that hard wired notion?

I have yet to meet anyone who thinks they can somehow cheat death.

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