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Old 02-16-2008, 03:44 PM   #11
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DONT do the whole "liberating" thing.

maybe you ARE liberating them, but only as a weak SIDE EFFECT.
you all know it.
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Old 02-16-2008, 04:06 PM   #12
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The author asks: " Afghanistan now produces 90% of the world's opium; more than any other country. The booming drug trade is the direct corollary of the US invasion. No one even denies this. Bush has created the world's largest narco-colony. Is that success? "

Answer: If you are running the global heroin trade then the answer is a resounding 'Yes'!
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Old 02-16-2008, 04:51 PM   #13
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DONT do the whole "liberating" thing.

maybe you ARE liberating them, but only as a weak SIDE EFFECT.
you all know it.
In the mid 90's, Australia attempted to sanction the Taliban in Afghanistan via the UN, but received zero support from other nations .. why? Because Australia and Afghanistan have had a very close relationship for the last 200 years, yet other countries were happy to USE the Taliban to "quell" the warlords and manipulate drug trade.

Australia is involved in Afghanistan for many reasons, but the vast majority of public support for our efforts is because of LOYALTY. The Afghans helped Australia "tame" the outback, provided excellent camel stock (pre-car era), and need our help.

During the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan (1978 - 1989) Australia relocated many refugees, set up contemporary relationships with Afghan people, and continue to maintain these relationships today ... hence our involvement in current events there.

Our MOTIVATION isn't a weak side effect, it is our motivation ... period. If GW Bush has other motives, so be it, but that isn't why Australian civilians support the destruction of the Taliban. Afghans are our mates, we OWE them.
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Old 02-16-2008, 05:07 PM   #14
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I will trust you l8rm8e, but only until I see destroyed houses in Afghanistan and fathers/mothers pulling their dead babies from under the rubble. Like the daily scene in Iraq.
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Old 02-16-2008, 05:37 PM   #15
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In the mid 90's, Australia attempted to sanction the Taliban in Afghanistan via the UN, but received zero support from other nations .. why? Because Australia and Afghanistan have had a very close relationship for the last 200 years, yet other countries were happy to USE the Taliban to "quell" the warlords and manipulate drug trade.

Australia is involved in Afghanistan for many reasons, but the vast majority of public support for our efforts is because of LOYALTY. The Afghans helped Australia "tame" the outback, provided excellent camel stock (pre-car era), and need our help.

During the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan (1978 - 1989) Australia relocated many refugees, set up contemporary relationships with Afghan people, and continue to maintain these relationships today ... hence our involvement in current events there.

Our MOTIVATION isn't a weak side effect, it is our motivation ... period. If GW Bush has other motives, so be it, but that isn't why Australian civilians support the destruction of the Taliban. Afghans are our mates, we OWE them.

That's not true... every one i know that has been to Afghanistan before the American invasion will tell you that there was no OPIUM fiels in the taliban controlled area, they will tell you as well that the Taliban were very decent and honnest people and they have turned their country from the most dangerous coutry under the filthy nordern aliance to the safest place in the world under the taliban.

May be you might aswell read this instead of repeating what you heard from the lying media >

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...01_heroin.html
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Old 02-17-2008, 02:14 AM   #16
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Yes. I have no doubt that in the kids' history text books in the states, this Iraq war will be another "hero trip" and the word "patrotism" with be plastered in every sentence with the words riding high on the vain losses of a lot of US Soldiers...after all the government do write all these books.

This will send out a brainwashed image of war burned into the American childrens' minds.

I trully do believe that America is the only country in the world that glorifies war.

That said, someone does need to fight these terrorist groups in Iraq, but sadly, which government can you trust when they say "we are at war to get al Qaeda"?

They are all liars...
Just to clue you, "the government does not write the books". The government is not capable.
But you're foolish to think that "America is the only country to glorify war", when you consider how many videos there are of Usama bin Laden "practicing" with machine guns, years of footage of parades of Soviet forces through Moscow, training videos, and clips from all over the world...
No one cares if you trust the American gov't.
But you're sure as hell soaking up a lot of oil the coalition forces have protected for you, eh?
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I will trust you l8rm8e, but only until I see destroyed houses in Afghanistan and fathers/mothers pulling their dead babies from under the rubble. Like the daily scene in Iraq.
Or like other daily scenes in Iraq, like hospitals opening all over the country, clean running water being set up in places it was never thought possible, girls actually going to school, adults actually being taught to read, local police forces being assembled, universities being organized, electricity being run to places it has never been before, and all of it without some monster, his two sons and their cronies coming to your home, raping your families, slashing faces, feeding people into plastic shredders feet-first, etc.
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That's not true... every one i know that has been to Afghanistan before the American invasion will tell you that there was no OPIUM fiels in the taliban controlled area, they will tell you as well that the Taliban were very decent and honnest people and they have turned their country from the most dangerous coutry under the filthy nordern aliance to the safest place in the world under the taliban.

May be you might aswell read this instead of repeating what you heard from the lying media >

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...01_heroin.html
Everyone you know, huh?
How about getting them on LiveLink so they can speak for themselves?
I sense dishonesty and incompleteness...
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Old 02-17-2008, 09:46 AM   #19
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That's not true... every one i know that has been to Afghanistan before the American invasion will tell you that there was no OPIUM fiels in the taliban controlled area
The Taliban cleared opium fields, broke the financial backs of dissident tribes, then replanted on their own terms. The whole exercise was a successful attempt at conning the west, manipulating poverty stricken farmers, and gaining CONTROL of the drug trade.

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they will tell you as well that the Taliban were very decent and honnest people and they have turned their country from the most dangerous coutry under the filthy nordern aliance to the safest place in the world under the taliban.
The Taliban did terrible things to anyone considered an infidel. That encompassed anyone who didn't adhere EXACTLY to their draconian laws, ancient superstitions, and the whims of local moral police who extorted from everyone. They were thugs, nothing more.

"Very decent and honest people" do not destroy civilization in the name of Allah, destroy ancient national heritage, ban women from society, stone, shoot, and behead people without due process.

On top of all that, they were instrumental in enabling Al-Queda to base operations in Afghanistan, thereby bringing the worlds attention to their doorstep.
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:41 AM   #20
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Or like other daily scenes in Iraq, like hospitals opening all over the country, clean running water being set up in places it was never thought possible, girls actually going to school, adults actually being taught to read, local police forces being assembled, universities being organized, electricity being run to places it has never been before, and all of it without some monster, his two sons and their cronies coming to your home, raping your families, slashing faces, feeding people into plastic shredders feet-first, etc.
I see it with my own two eyes. These people had nothing. Now they are becoming educated. There needs are being taken care of and they don't live in fear because of a horrible government. They don't fear us soldiers any longer now that they see we are here to assist them. The come to us with there issues and help them the best we can. Not go execute them in the streets like Saddam.
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