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Old 09-30-2017, 10:36 AM   #1
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Default Catalonia referendum defies Spanish obstruction

the deadlock between Catalonia's devolved government, which wants independence, and Spain's central government, which has always ruled out a vote on the issue, has reached a critical moment.
There is the surreal.
Tweetie Pie, the yellow Warner Bros cartoon bird known here as Piolín, adorns a cruise ship parked in Barcelona port. There are no tourists on board the huge floating hotel.
A Spanish government minister refused to tell me exactly how many national Spanish police were on board.

But there is an underlying and deadly serious message, too.
The boat's occupants are the guardians of Spanish territorial integrity. No-one questions where their loyalties lie.
Then there is the confusing.
Catalonia's government, or Generalitat as it is known locally, promises the vote will happen. However, a proper election campaign has been strikingly absent.
With children back at home for the weekend will schools quickly turn into voting stations, or will they remain closed?
And there is the downright baffling.
Catalonia's own police force, Mossos d'Esquadra, in theory should - if they follow the letter of Spanish law - work alongside national Spanish police and stop the vote from happening.
But it is the Mossos' colleagues and friends at the Generalitat who are keeping the pro-independence dream of a referendum alive.

Catalan police are stuck between a rock of Spanish court orders to stop the vote and a hard place of Catalan nationalist desires for it to go ahead.
If police physically stop people from voting, will this maintain public order or encourage trouble on the streets?
Fearing a backlash, the Spanish government has stopped short of suspending the powers of the Catalan government.
But it has tightened its grip on Catalonia's finances and, in theory, its control over the regional police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41426023

The ghost of Franco alive and well in Spain in 2017

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Old 09-30-2017, 03:00 PM   #2
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Where's figatova nowadays? I bet he's creaming his pants over this.
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Old 09-30-2017, 04:51 PM   #3
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Where's figatova nowadays? I bet he's creaming his pants over this.
been away a long long time
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been away a long long time
I liked Fig. Him and I had a lot of PM's between us. Smart guy.
IIRC, wasn't he from Aragon and Basque?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/c...h-vote-n805421
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Old 10-01-2017, 11:37 AM   #5
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"Kingdom of Aragon" - the names and places the region are so cool, like from a story by Tolkien. And the history, it's absolutely fascinating.
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"Kingdom of Aragon" - the names and places the region are so cool, like from a story by Tolkien. And the history, it's absolutely fascinating.
Maybe less so when everything is red though. The police action looks completely over the top to me.
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Maybe less so when everything is red though. The police action looks completely over the top to me.
Yeah, I just read dozens of people hurt after police storming the voting places.
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Yeah, I just read dozens of people hurt after police storming the voting places.
The reason? Trying to confiscate the ballot boxes.... I think I saw Franco in one of the reports.
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Old 10-01-2017, 04:27 PM   #10
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The EU havent just 'lowered the bar', they have removed the bar.

That the brexit vote has just proved to me that the conscience of the the british, and i mean british, people is well ahead of the curve.

I would never oppose devolution, because any person of morals knows that the more power is centralised the more endemic the corruption and the lower the quality of life for those furthest removed.
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