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Old 02-26-2013, 10:33 PM   #101
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What about an older couple who already have children, already use proper birth control and have regular sex because they love each other.

What if their birth control fails one day and she gets pregnant? Should they be forced to have that baby because it's not rape..?

What about a young couple who cannot afford the baby, are just graduating from school and were taking proper birth control measures?

Should they have to suffer the consequences too, even though they were being responsible?
Thats fine and dandy dragon. In some instances it is more "humane" to not bring life into a shitty situation. However graduating college students certainly could afford the baby, but I digress.
The only consequence I propose is if you get it done at the tax payers expense...they do the version that makes reproduction in the future impossible.

For the college kid "oops" daddys can pay for it....two strikes and your out.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:33 PM   #102
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I'm pro choice (not as a contraceptive) but lets not sugar coat what you're doing.
This about sums up my position. I feel like most in the pro-choice movement want to deluded themselves and others about the truth. They go as far as to suggest a fetus isn't even a human life.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:47 PM   #103
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good for them, get a vasectomy.
You can butcher your junk all you want. I'd opt for a tubal ligation personally. But again, these procedures are still not 100% effective.

My thoughts on vasectomies:

http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?t=95994

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Forced to have a their baby, WTF kind of a question is that. They should take responsibility or give it up for adoption. Force to have their child,LOL!
When I say "forced to have the baby" I meant forced to go through an entire pregnancy and give birth.

So you would force a woman who's used proper birth control methods and still ended up pregnant to deliver the baby because you think that is responsible?

Even if it was a 16 year old girl?
What about a 60 year old woman?
What if the woman was a drug addict or alcoholic?


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consequences, like what being responsible some more and raising their child or giving it up for adoption.
Yes; those are huge consequences.

And also, consequences like carrying to full term and child birth. Not a walk in the park for women.

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How is killing your child is being responsible?
It's not a child, it's a mass of living cells that are deemed insignificant by most people including myself.

How is forcing a woman to give birth and over populating the earth with more unwanted children the responsible thing to do?
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:54 PM   #104
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Abortions should not be used in place of birth control
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:59 PM   #105
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I wonder how some of the pro-lifer's feel about pregnancy and alcoholism in regard to abortion. Or what about heroin users?

Or is that justifiable via "medical" condition in their minds.... since nobody would want to adopt a deformed screaming baby having heroin withdrawals.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:51 PM   #106
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I'm pro choice; but I do think a woman who has had more than one or two abortions needs to get her priorities straight. My wife worked with a lady who had went through 3 abortions, I hear she's pregnant with a 4th, not sure what she'll do with this one. She gave up her first child (she has been pregnant 5 times in all I think) and refuses to see it.

I kinda find this to be a bit disturbing. Despite this, it's the woman's choice, but it would seem some like her would at least try and take control. She doesn't give a fuck.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:55 PM   #107
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I'm not talking about litigation here. I can't conceive of an argument for Federal abortion prohibition that would not infringe on rights of privacy. I side with the SCOTUS and their discovery of privacy following Roe v Wade.


I'm talking about the social criticism of deadbeat dads versus the championing of woman's right to get rid of their belly burden. Same shoe different foot different reaction. Otherwise known as a double standard.

Someone, possibly Eric I'm not sure, also noted something else I've brought up before. If abortion isn't killing a baby, then why do we as a society justify charging those who murder pregnant women with double homicide?
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If abortion isn't killing a baby, then why do we as a society justify charging those who murder pregnant women with double homicide?
Because it's about choice, in this case, it isn't up to a killer to make that choice for the mother. When a murderer kills a pregnant woman or harms her enough to kill her unborn child, of course it would be homicide.
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Because it's about choice, in this case, it isn't up to a killer to make that choice for the mother. When a murderer kills a pregnant woman or harms her enough to kill her unborn child, of course it would be homicide.
Double homicide means two people were killed. It means the fetus growing in the woman is a person. This is the legal ramifications of this jurisprudence.

The after-thought of 'choice' is an irrelevant rationalization.
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Double homicide means two people were killed. It means the fetus growing in the woman is a person. This is the legal ramifications of this jurisprudence.

The after-thought of 'choice' is an irrelevant rationalization.
I see what you're saying; but any mother with a fetus she's gonna give birth to inside her, will definitely consider it a person.
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