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Old 05-07-2017, 07:12 PM   #11
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I think Marine Le Pen was a good candidate and ran a good campaign. I would have liked to see her get above 40%, but that doesn't seem possible now.

Marine Le Pen's biggest problem is that she didn't run for the center after the first round. She could have taken the center from Macron.
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Old 05-07-2017, 07:26 PM   #12
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France really isn't a free people anyway. Free people can say what they want and have access to all the information and press freedoms, even access to uncomfortable statistical information. Information that currently isn't made available to the public. The elites have been running the show since Jacques Chirac decided to be Saddam Hussein's bestie. Even Mitterand was just a show horse.

k, so for the next few decades we'll just watch the slow, disintegrating decline of Europe devolving back into the caste systems they were before WWII.

We are going to witness, in our lifetime, the last and best argument against the social welfare state.......that after the elites secure their power by giving away freebies in exchange for votes, they start using their power to disenfranchise the people and start taking everything for themselves. When Islam conquers France, which may or may not happen in our lifetime now, it'll be a relief to the people who will have been bent under and trod down by the elites. That's just my prediction. I see nothing indicating my prediction is untrue except another ridiculous election in five years from now. Hopefully Macron doesn't want the glory of France to fade but I don't think he's particularly interested in France, other than ya know, accident of being born there.
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Old 05-07-2017, 07:32 PM   #13
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Can anyone make a reasonable argument as to why my prediction may be wrong? One could argue that Le Pen was a sort of socialist and believed in the French welfare state and one welfare state is eventually just as awful as another, but at least Le Pen wanted the welfare state for actual French citizens. That alone would have given France at least 10-20 years before the problem became irreversible. I think Macron, being the toady that he is, will make the downfall irreversible.
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Old 05-07-2017, 07:39 PM   #14
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I'm just going to point out one more thing.....

Macron has no natural born children. He has no offspring. His step children are his age or older. His youngest step child was his high school classmate.

Macron's legacy isn't tied to how future generations of France fare. Rather, his legacy has just been achieved. He is the youngest elected leader of France in modern history. He's got no horse in race or skin in the game beyond that achievement.

Now, it's all about being the toady to the EU. All his has to do, is perform marginally fair and that's really all he can do.
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Old 05-07-2017, 09:03 PM   #15
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Over half the districts that went for Le Pen in the first election, went for Macron in the run off.

That means Fillion and Melenchon voters turned more in the direction of Macron than LePen.

Take-Aways:
1) LePen didn't broaden her approach after a solid performance in the first election.
2) If the race is between two candidates, always run to the center.
3) She should have spent less time trying to convince the French of her ideology and more time tearing into Macron viciously. She should have started labeling him the hand picked stoogey of Hollande instead of trying to tie him to Merkel.
4) Macron had the appeal of being a nobody thus it was easy for the French population to put anything on him that they imagined. It also means anything negative can be thrown at him too. That wasn't the debate strategy though.
5) Debate Prep is a must. Never underestimate debate prep.
6) Macron's reforms are pie in the sky promises and he can't accomplish them. He really hasn't accomplished anything at all. That should have been a theme after the first election.
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Old 05-07-2017, 09:12 PM   #16
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Macron wins but Le Pen received close to 40% of the vote.

(So that means 40% of the French population are extremists according to CNN).


Macron is a good candidate but in 5 years time it will be National Front as it isn't as if France will not still have a State of Emergency and there will be hundreds more dead.
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:24 PM   #18
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France is not use to winning so why start now?
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froggy cheese munching surrender monkeys . . . losers once again . . .
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froggy cheese munching surrender monkeys . . . losers once again . . .
I've been thinking about this........

Even if they thought LePen was too extreme, it was in their interests to vote her in just because she had more bargaining chips in winning concessions and deals from the EU because she starts with FU EU. Macron has none. He has no bargaining power at all.

What it is, is a pure lack of the ability to play global strategy on the part of France. I guess there's a reason why they're known for pastry, art, wine and meal times. They don't really think in terms of winning.
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