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Old 04-12-2009, 12:05 PM   #11
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I think Hertfordshire and Oxfordshire should declare independence, then give the rest of the UK something to aspire to.

You are ALL nowt but Pikeys in comparison
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:17 PM   #12
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ukathiest - you seem like an idiot.

i dont think the union has been beneficial for us here in scotland, to say we couldnt survive without a brain - meaning england i assume its laughable. Ireland has survived quite well on its own - sure it is suffering in this global economic meltdown but so is everywhere - denmark survives, cyprus survives, - the barnet formula is made by english people so why would i trust it - we have proven many times its a myth that we dont pay our way and then some.

The border point isnt really a major thing - we could go to france without a passport before 9/11 happened - i see no change there at all. What most in england fail to realise is why some dont want us to leave the union - the reason for that is that once we do it and prove it is a viable option, the welsh will then want to go then NI which has serious repercutions more serious than us leaving. England would then be on its own which would leave dissafected parts of england wanting greater autonomy - the north east, devon/cornwall etc and middle england really do not want that.

So the question i believe isnt why we should leave but why dont you want us to leave.

Ive heard all the jock crap so many times - couldnt survive, cash deficate, armed forces etc etc. ive studied this in great detail and we would be better off and thats all i can think about, im not english so i dont have to consider englsih feelings in this, i dont feel british and i believe the union was forced so i dont care about the break up.

I could care less about the 'empire' we created as i believe we were one of the first to be taken over, India etc all got there independance many years ago - its our turn now.

I haved a question then - wouldnt it be better for england if we were gone - people like ukathiest obviously have a dislike of the 'jocks' so why should we stay.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:30 PM   #13
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You just don't get it, do you?. We, Scotland, do not like you in England. We are born with this dislike.

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Racism...through and through, I knew that, if only the SNP would admit it!
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:35 PM   #14
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Racism...through and through, I knew that, if only the SNP would admit it!
i have no 'hate all english' attitude - as ive said before i used to live down south - London to be exact. Yes we have poeple who dont like the english, but you have people like ukathiest who dont like us, same goes for the welsh and irish - we all habe elements who dont like each other. Hell we have elements who dont like people from there own country.

The snp is not a racist political party like the BNP - they have no interest in sending the english home if we leave the union - all people living here could either stay as they are or apply to become scottish - a bit more then the bnp would offer.

I try not to 'tar' everyone with the same brush as it were.
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Old 04-12-2009, 01:34 PM   #15
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No, what's best for Scotland is to leave a union which benefits England but does very little for Scotland. The fact of the matter is that England is nothing without the union, and Scotland so much more than it is as part of it.
I'm beginning to really like you...........for an Englishshman.

If I wasn't still hungover and half-cut I'd add something usefull to this thread, but at the moment I'm too busy pondering over the brick colour for Hadrians wall!

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Old 04-12-2009, 02:17 PM   #16
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I'm beginning to really like you...........for an Englishshman.

If I wasn't still hungover and half-cut I'd add something usefull to this thread, but at the moment I'm too busy pondering over the brick colour for Hadrians wall!

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Roo see;s the truth as it is as he lives here and see's the benefits devolution has brought unlike Ukathiest who like some of our american commenters are blinded by views which are fabrications from old.
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Old 04-12-2009, 05:01 PM   #17
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Racism...through and through, I knew that, if only the SNP would admit it!
Some things are said in jest seanjo, you know that!. However, to compare the SNP to the BNP is so fucking far off the mark it shows just how little you know about Scottish politics....stop reading the Daily Mail. The SNP are more like left-wing 'old' Labour, rather than the shiny 'new' Labour team Westminster has.
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What is the point of this thread? Pff
the thead asks a question - feel free to comment how you see fit - make a suggestion on the question at hand perhaps.

just a thought.
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Old 04-12-2009, 05:03 PM   #19
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the thead asks a question - feel free to comment how you see fit - make a suggestion on the question at hand perhaps.

just a thought.
Don't say that....he'll just want to talk about guns'n'stuff that hurts people.


Cooookooo!....Crazy man!
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Old 04-12-2009, 05:33 PM   #20
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You have to live it to see it, eg: our primary concern and reason for moving to Scotland was our kids, their lives have improved 1000 fold since moving here, teacher to pupil ratio's are half that we're used to, the school's have more grounds than they know what to do with, the primary school had underfloor heating fitted the year we moved here, last year it was a special educational garden, greenhouse and shed, this year it's a £20,000 activity playground, the primary school back in England had no grass, a playground so small they had to have playtime shifts, portacabins for classrooms whilst the council spent £100+ million on a tram system for tourists and new casino's which never came to be... I could go on and on listing all the positive aspects of living in Scotland compared to England, and not one of them would have come from Westminster.
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But still, England has it's big dome, new Wembley, Jubilee line and Olympics. The difference is the Scots put money into important things and not pish like the aforementioned!

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