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"This is an evil enemy that should be fought. But constitutionally, it's up to you. It is not my decision to make. Do your duty, make a decision, and I will abide by it because that is my constitutional duty. It's on you." So if the D congress won't renew the AUMF, stop all bombing and pull out the troops that are there. If ISIS raises hell in the area in the absence of U.S. power, the president can tell Congress and the American people, "See? I told you so." The blame would lie squarely on the shoulders of the congressional D's as ISIS committed its atrocities and gained new ground unimpeded by the U.S. Congressional politicians are gutless. And that is why they would vote for a new authorization if the president embraced this philosophy (just obeying the Constitution). They are way too gutless to risk being blamed for surrendering to ISIS. Remember who we are, Aquina. America doesn't like to surrender. Those D politicians would get slaughtered at the polls if they "voted for surrender" and ISIS took bloody advantage. What they want is a president who will spend all his political capital on keeping a war going just so they can oppose it. They are comfortable being in that position. We know that. We saw them being comfortable in that position during the last Iraq war. But if an R president simply embraces the Constitution, he beats them at their own game because the blame goes right onto them, and I can guarantee they won't be comfortable with that. So this is where we see things a little differently. I don't think the R president should become "embattled" over this at all. He can tell the Congress and the American people that fighting ISIS is a just cause, and that we can fight them and stop them. But it's not up to me; it's up to you through your representatives in Congress, and I will abide by their decision. He shouldn't become embattled; he should simply defer to the Constitution and deflect all blame onto the congressional D's.
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Clinton never acknowledged the hateful ideology behind the first WTC bombing. He wouldn't acknowledge it at all and Dick Morris warned him that it was a mistake.
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If we mean to have heroes, statesmen and philosophers, we should have learned women.-Abigail Adams ![]() this is not CNN or FOX (we're probably more accurate!)-LL Hayden Someday I'll get my marxist utopia! -LL's GeorgeBush Yeah but they're Moozlims. Kill 'em all! -Wimbly In other words it's always their fault for not voting Republican. - Wimbly |
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This simply gets the current Pres. off the hook and throws responsibility of deciding to make war or not to make war on Congress. This is where the decision properly belongs, but that's not why Obama is putting the decision before Congress. He doesn't want to destroy ISIS, and he knows very well that the question of war will lead to nothing but bickering and posturing, declaration-making speeches, and closed door congressional panel meetings that will go something like this:
Obama wanted to tear up Libya, and so he just did it. He didn't bother consulting Congres. He's only putting the ISIS war question to Congress because he knows they don't have the backbone to do anything, and he gets to dodge responsibility (again) in the process. It's simple really.
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FFS. Again?
What's that phrase about not learning from the past? Oh yeah, it makes you a twat. It was western involvement that took this shit to its current level.
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Obama has no intention of putting boots on the ground.
Just another of his scams to unilaterally procure tax payer money to fund his picks for the coming elections while putting blame on congress. He will have another sweeping reform session with all the BS issues like immigration and Gitmo and the IRS and all the others that have come up short for funding while he funnels the money to his cronies like he always does. Its Obama 101, predicable to the last penny. LOL .. at some its going to blow up in his face.
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Those congressional opponents would shit a brick if the president did that. "We will surrender to ISIS in 3 months if Congress doesn't pass a new AUMF" tick, tock ... "We will surrender in one month ..." tick, tock ... "One week until we surrender ..." tick, tock ... "My fellow Americans, the D's in Congress have decided to give ISIS the victory. Accordingly, I have ordered an end to all bombing of ISIS targets in Iraq and Syria, and, as I'm speaking to you, all of our troops are being withdrawn and headed home...." That is a speech the D's will never let happen. They'll approve a new AUMF before that happens.
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I will guarantee you that it will go down to the wire and virtually everything in our political system, including the US budget is going to be held hostage to that.
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If we mean to have heroes, statesmen and philosophers, we should have learned women.-Abigail Adams ![]() this is not CNN or FOX (we're probably more accurate!)-LL Hayden Someday I'll get my marxist utopia! -LL's GeorgeBush Yeah but they're Moozlims. Kill 'em all! -Wimbly In other words it's always their fault for not voting Republican. - Wimbly |
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Look .. Obama has been and still is playing everyone around the world against each other and pinning blame.
I don't see whats any different about any of this do any on you? That's his whole game, stir shit point finger rinse repeat. FFS sake he campaigning nothing more. He is a charlatan and a carpetbagger and he is not going to stop until we see him for what he is. WAKE UP!
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