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The Oath is invalid because the Constitution isn't the law of the land 0 0%
The Oath is still valid even though the Constitution isn't the law of the land 0 0%
Act as if the the Constitution was the law of the land even though D.C. does whatever. 0 0%
The Oath is invalid but hopefully, D.C. will correct itself. 0 0%
The Oath is invalid and D.C is too corrupt and deserving of no fidelity 0 0%
A squirrel can write a new Constitution about nuts. 1 100.00%
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Old 02-26-2017, 08:01 PM   #1
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Now, Owens cringed at the thought of having to shake the hand of the president who approved the raid in Yemen that claimed his son’s life — an operation that he and others are now calling into question.

“I told them I didn’t want to make a scene about it, but my conscience wouldn’t let me talk to him,” Owens said Friday, speaking out for the first time in an interview with the Miami Herald.

Owens, also a military veteran, was troubled by Trump’s harsh treatment of a Gold Star family during his presidential campaign. Now Owens was a Gold Star parent, and he said he had deep reservations about the way the decision was made to launch what would be his son’s last mission.

Ryan and as many as 29 civilians were killed Jan. 28 in the anti-terrorism mission in Yemen. What was intended as a lightning raid to grab cellphones, laptops and other information about terrorists turned into a nearly hour-long firefight in which “everything went wrong,” according to U.S. military officials who spoke to the New York Times.

Bill Owens said he was assured that his son, who was shot, was killed early in the fight. It was the first military counter-terrorist operation approved by the new president, who signed the go-ahead Jan. 26 — six days into his term.

“Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn’t even barely a week into his administration? Why? For two years prior, there were no boots on the ground in Yemen — everything was missiles and drones — because there was not a target worth one American life. Now, all of a sudden we had to make this grand display?’’

In a statement from the White House Saturday, spokesman Michael C. Short called Ryan Owens “an American hero who made the ultimate sacrifice in the service of his country.”

The White House did not address his father’s criticisms, but pointed out that the Department of Defense routinely conducts a review of missions that result in loss of life.


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...#storylink=cpy
RIP SEAL William "Ryan" Owens. My sincere condolences to the Owens family. All give some and some give all. He's a hero and nothing can take away from that. NOTHING!


To the LL community about the GWOT, media and the presidential administrations.....

We won the GWOT in 2008 but Obama cost us the win because he thought it better we lose.
The media is lefty, Miami Herald included, war deaths are a thing again.
Presidential Administrations......Republicans are always war mongers and Democrats are always about peace according to the media. Facts be damned.

But given the polarization now, is it worth it for anyone to really pledge their lives to the constitution? The Constitution doesn't really mean anything anymore.

That's a serious question, to anyone who gave their oath to the Constitution, if you uphold it, is it really to the Constitution or to D.C?

I know what I believe about the oath.......what about you?
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Old 02-26-2017, 08:03 PM   #2
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oh I guess so...............poll coming......
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Old 02-26-2017, 08:09 PM   #3
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k, the poll is a bit one sided but is there anyone who still believes we're a Constitutional government anymore? Really, anyone?

i mean, even lefties who even hate every thread I've ever made, do they really think the Constitution has any ability to limit the Federal Government at all in any way?
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Boo hoo the SEAL wanted combat, his job, id join the military if the mission were to steal women.
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Boo hoo the SEAL wanted combat, his job, id join the military if the mission were to steal women.
I'm not really chipper to join the chorus against you but don't you steal women anyways?
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I'm not really chipper to join the chorus against you but don't you steal women anyways?
Not really, 200 an hour for a 20 yo Japanese girl isnt exactly a steal.
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Back in the day men died over land and women, now they die for laptops and cell phones.
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Back in the day men died over land and women, now they die for laptops and cell phones.
I think today, they die to prove D.C. rules the world. I'm not even in favor of D.C. ruling America. They suck at it.
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Not really, 200 an hour for a 20 yo Japanese girl isnt exactly a steal.
there's a few words I'd use to describe that. Steal isn't one of them.

They say everyone has a price. That might be true. I wish it weren't so, but the older I get, the more I think an awful lot of us, are really flipping cheap.
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Its a job, a dangerous one, one that most can not will not do.
And no one absolutely no one has the right to say its wrong or right but those who must do it.
I tire of the fake thank you for your service and the I think they fucked you over people who in earnest don't give a shit either way the sheer hypocrisy of their neglect a testament to the truth of it.
I did it and would do it again not just because of my country and my beliefs but also because there are those who simply need killing without question or trial.
People who care nothing for others lives and would take them without a second thought.
It was after all everyone who put that power into my hands and in return they fear it.
Not what I would call a welcome home.
But make no mistake, it was/is my choice and mine alone as was/is it those who serve/served.
Those with no regard for life are on my radar as well as the others who share my view and we are many.
And we are watching.
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