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Default Sophistry of 'One World' Globalism

'All politics is local', but don't tell that to the International Socialist.
Them globalist that think the world is all the same thing, and everybody must and will get along, because that's what they want, and will impose upon us.

Oh boy, have they got a lot to learn about the human condition!

"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold"
Yet the International Socialist Globalist cadre seems to think they can hold the center. Silly people!

To me, this article shows how the presumed intelligentsia has left the path of wisdom, and is doing great harm to their fellow beings.

It's a long read (I know, I tend to post them a lot), but worth the read...
With a critical eye.
There are quite a few logical fallacies, sometimes every other sentence.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...-rana-dasgupta
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Old 04-06-2018, 01:57 AM   #2
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That is how we will complete this globalisation of ours, which today stands dangerously unfinished. Its economic and technological systems are dazzling indeed, but in order for it to serve the human community, it must be subordinated to an equally spectacular political infrastructure, which we have not even begun to conceive.

There is every reason to believe that the next stage of the techno-financial revolution will be even more disastrous for national political authority. This will arise as the natural continuation of existing technological processes, which promise new, algorithmic kinds of governance to further undermine the political variety.

This is not a small endeavour: it will take the better part of this century. We do not know yet where it will lead. All we can lay out now is a set of directions. From the standpoint of our present, they will seem impossible, because we have not known any other way. But that is how radical novelty always begins.

We need more such experiments in continental and global politics. National governments themselves need to be subjected to a superior tier of authority: they have proved to be the most dangerous forces in the nation-state era, waging endless wars against other nations while oppressing, killing and otherwise failing their own populations.
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Hahahaha! That article was one of the most imaginative works of bullshit I ever read.

1) Erdogan, Putin, Brexit and Trump and not nearly the same phenomena. To put those four things in a box with a label is dumb enough but then he also throws in AfD in Germany, Macron's election, Italy's contentious election, Spain, Syria, Libya and Saudi too. I don't know why he bothered to stop at those. He should have thrown in the Arab Spring, Mubarak's removal from power, uprising in Bahrain, Abe's election in Japan and well, I don't know, Roy Moore's 'bama loss. Talk about a wide brush! He also conveniently ignores other facts: Bibi's reelection in Israel, Pelosi is still the minority House leader, Trudeau won in Canada, Venezuela is still a socialist nation, Estonia hasn't been invaded yet, etc etc. btw, none of those facts has much in common either but it's only an illusion that the ones he cited in his article have anything in common.

2) He seems kind of obsessed with nation states being able to control people, information, money supply but not borders. He totally choked on addressing the border problem. I think I know why. Every nation that's having a border problem, has a leader(s) that is(are) directly responsible for the problem by design. He wants to say the border problems are the weakening of the nation state and not due to the assinine policies of governments. ya see, if it's due to dumb policies put in place by politicians, it's reversible by other politicians. He doesn't want it reversed.

3) As for the flow of money, goods, ideas, etc....no nation state has ever been able to control those without basically killing their own economies and going totally fascist. The only reason why he's focusing on it in the present, is because he's trying to use the Hegelian NOW to argue for what he thinks the future will necessarily be. I really despise lefty commie bots who talk about the future as if it were so inevitable it's really the same thing as the present. Not even Hegel was stupid enough to make predictions about the future.

4) The Nation State is the only defense the people have against the elites. Newsflash, the 1% have always been somewhat beyond the control of national governments and have always considered the world their oyster. It just stands to reason that if someone has a 50 billion in the bank, they're pretty much going to do what they want and no one is ever going to do much about it. Case in point, Jeffrey Epstein. No billionaires go to jail. The nation state was never about controlling the super wealthy. It was always about the people in those nations banding together under a flag. In most nations, it's because there's a shared history, ethnicity, religion, language, culture, customs etc. In the U.S., it's the Constitution. The nation state works because the people, the regular people, of the nation state believe in it and want it. I'm guessing Rana from India, the commie educated at lefty MadisonWIU, never read Hobbes or Locke. The whole damn purpose of the nation state is to bring people together for mutual protection and the advancement of those peoples' prosperity.

5) Little known fact. The world's always been globalized in terms of trade. It's just that for centuries, the common person in most nations didn't know it was. The nation state isn't coming apart at the seems because it's obsolete.... and it's not weakening either. It's that people are basically telling the elites to fuck off and if they don't want to be part of the nation, get out. The people are asserting their rights to have their own polity that works for them. Rana may not understand that because he seems to be pretty stateless although I noticed he's got some ethnic nationalist pride in the nation state of India given his articles about it. He certainly doesn't think the nation state of India is weakening and he thinks it's a good thing India is growing stronger. Funny how ethnicity, nationalism and culture can bias a commies viewpoint when it comes to his proverbial sacred cow.
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Hahahaha! That article was one of the most imaginative works of bullshit I ever read.
Funny how ethnicity, nationalism and culture can bias a commies viewpoint when it comes to his proverbial sacred cow.
Indeed.

But, not really all that "funny".
You do it here all of the time, putz.
"Israel" is your own "sacred cow".

The bottom-line is, and being any commie or not,
it actually applies to everyone with such a "bias".

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Old 04-06-2018, 06:19 PM   #5
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'All politics is local', but don't tell that to the International Socialist.
Them globalist that think the world is all the same thing, and everybody must and will get along, because that's what they want, and will impose upon us.

Oh boy, have they got a lot to learn about the human condition!

"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold"
Yet the International Socialist Globalist cadre seems to think they can hold the center. Silly people!

To me, this article shows how the presumed intelligentsia has left the path of wisdom, and is doing great harm to their fellow beings.

It's a long read (I know, I tend to post them a lot), but worth the read...
With a critical eye.
There are quite a few logical fallacies, sometimes every other sentence.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...-rana-dasgupta
And exactly just who or whom is all behind this both Socialist and Globalist Agenda?
The actual answer:
The Usual Suspects!
Why?
Dominion.
"God" said so.
Don't believe?
You Heretic!!!
See:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heretic

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Indeed.

But, not really all that "funny".
You do it here all of the time, putz.
Israel is your own "sacred cow".

The bottom-line is, and being any commie or not,
it actually applies to everyone with such a "bias".
You didn't even read it. Looks like you're doing exactly what the author of this article was doing. SHITPOSTING.

The only thing you seemed to have learned from this is......there's 'bias' mmmkay. Bias is baaaad mmmkay
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This thread needed a trigger warning

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You didn't even read it. Looks like you're doing exactly what the author of this article was doing. SHITPOSTING.

The only thing you seemed to have learned from this is......there's 'bias' mmmkay. Bias is baaaad mmmkay
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Actually, I did read it, and you most obviously didn't.
Both you and the author of the article have done so too.
Not just "bias", but, also the lying hypocrisy of the critic.
Yours, as well as what your Mr. Mackey says, mmkay!
Putz.
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Actually, I did read it, and you most obviously didn't.
Both you and the author of the article have done so too.
Not just "bias", but, also the lying hypocrisy of the critic.
Yours, as well as what your Mr. Mackey says, mmkay!
Putz.
Lol

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Hahahaha! That article was one of the most imaginative works of bullshit I ever read.

1) Erdogan, Putin, Brexit and Trump and not nearly the same phenomena. To put those four things in a box with a label is dumb enough but then he also throws in AfD in Germany, Macron's election, Italy's contentious election, Spain, Syria, Libya and Saudi too. I don't know why he bothered to stop at those. He should have thrown in the Arab Spring, Mubarak's removal from power, uprising in Bahrain, Abe's election in Japan and well, I don't know, Roy Moore's 'bama loss. Talk about a wide brush! He also conveniently ignores other facts: Bibi's reelection in Israel, Pelosi is still the minority House leader, Trudeau won in Canada, Venezuela is still a socialist nation, Estonia hasn't been invaded yet, etc etc. btw, none of those facts has much in common either but it's only an illusion that the ones he cited in his article have anything in common.

2) He seems kind of obsessed with nation states being able to control people, information, money supply but not borders. He totally choked on addressing the border problem. I think I know why. Every nation that's having a border problem, has a leader(s) that is(are) directly responsible for the problem by design. He wants to say the border problems are the weakening of the nation state and not due to the assinine policies of governments. ya see, if it's due to dumb policies put in place by politicians, it's reversible by other politicians. He doesn't want it reversed.

3) As for the flow of money, goods, ideas, etc....no nation state has ever been able to control those without basically killing their own economies and going totally fascist. The only reason why he's focusing on it in the present, is because he's trying to use the Hegelian NOW to argue for what he thinks the future will necessarily be. I really despise lefty commie bots who talk about the future as if it were so inevitable it's really the same thing as the present. Not even Hegel was stupid enough to make predictions about the future.

4) The Nation State is the only defense the people have against the elites. Newsflash, the 1% have always been somewhat beyond the control of national governments and have always considered the world their oyster. It just stands to reason that if someone has a 50 billion in the bank, they're pretty much going to do what they want and no one is ever going to do much about it. Case in point, Jeffrey Epstein. No billionaires go to jail. The nation state was never about controlling the super wealthy. It was always about the people in those nations banding together under a flag. In most nations, it's because there's a shared history, ethnicity, religion, language, culture, customs etc. In the U.S., it's the Constitution. The nation state works because the people, the regular people, of the nation state believe in it and want it. I'm guessing Rana from India, the commie educated at lefty MadisonWIU, never read Hobbes or Locke. The whole damn purpose of the nation state is to bring people together for mutual protection and the advancement of those peoples' prosperity.

5) Little known fact. The world's always been globalized in terms of trade. It's just that for centuries, the common person in most nations didn't know it was. The nation state isn't coming apart at the seems because it's obsolete.... and it's not weakening either. It's that people are basically telling the elites to fuck off and if they don't want to be part of the nation, get out. The people are asserting their rights to have their own polity that works for them. Rana may not understand that because he seems to be pretty stateless although I noticed he's got some ethnic nationalist pride in the nation state of India given his articles about it. He certainly doesn't think the nation state of India is weakening and he thinks it's a good thing India is growing stronger. Funny how ethnicity, nationalism and culture can bias a commies viewpoint when it comes to his proverbial sacred cow.
Dear Lady, I agree with most of your take on this article.
Only a few things I would MILDLY contend.
In 3, to me it's an historical Hegelian interpretation your making.
With me, I tend to recognize Kant as an expression of the relativism of pure reason and logic.
'Never the twain shall meet' between 'Reason' and 'Romanticism'.
The evolution of Marx's 'International Communism' demonstrates this.
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