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Old 06-13-2014, 06:43 PM   #11
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Well, this would have never even happened if the country wasn't bombed to oblivion to begin with.
I agree but it was and they wanted us gone telling us not to leave any troops behind. Then we train the fuckers and they tear their uniforms off and take off.

There is no Iraqi nationalism, only local tribalism. This is why these 3rd world Muslim countries will never get on their feet. Even with tons of oil money.
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Old 06-13-2014, 06:50 PM   #12
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Airstrikes won't do shit, and there's no way the US will be stupid enough to go back in. This is pure posturing. I agree with Whitney's analysis:

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The report suggests that the ISIS is not a ragtag amalgam of rabid fanatics, but a highly-motivated and disciplined modern militia with clearly outlined political and territorial objectives. If this is the case, then it is likely that they will not march on Baghdad after all, but will tighten their grip on the predominantly Sunni areas establishing a state within a state. And this is precisely why the Obama administration may choose to stay out of the conflagration altogether, because the goals of the ISIS coincide with a similar US plan to create a “soft partition” that dates back to 2006.

The plan was first proposed by Leslie Gelb, the former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, and then-senator Joe Biden. According to the New York Times the “so-called soft-partition plan ….calls for dividing Iraq into three semi-autonomous regions…There would be a loose Kurdistan, a loose Shiastan and a loose Sunnistan, all under a big, if weak, Iraq umbrella.”

And this is why the US will probably not deploy combat troops to engage the Sunni fighters in Mosul. It’s because the Obama administration’s strategic goals and those of the terrorists are nearly identical. Which should surprise no one.
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Obama and Bush have achieved what bin Laden only could have dreamt of, a city of two million people falling into the hands of his extremist spawn while Washington gazes helplessly from the sidelines. That’s what you call failure with a capital “F”.
Exactly right!
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Old 06-13-2014, 06:54 PM   #13
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To search what a candidates opinion was, or actual US policy at the time? Bush was President, so exactly what could a candidate say that is more important than what a President does?
The how exactly is then Senator Obama’s reaction more important than what a President does?
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So i am. I think using the GHW Bush is appropriate as fuck too.
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The how exactly is then
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Airstrikes won't do shit, and there's no way the US will be stupid enough to go back in.
Honestly, airstrikes would be pretty effective, depending on who is delivering them. Just depends on whether the Iraqi army are willing to fight and take advantage of the airstrikes. Having the United States Air Force on your side is a great advantage, and air superiority seems to be the only thing these guys are fearing at the moment.

Why people always insist that airstrikes are useless is beyond my understanding, and seems to be beyond theirs as well. US air power is the only hope Iraq has, "besides another full on invasion". And that isn't going to happen. Might as well take the next best thing.

If the Iraqi army would get their ass in gear, these air strikes could very well be what they need to gain momentum and advantage over the terrorists. If there's one thing Islamic terrorists fear the most, it's a US airstrike!
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Old 06-13-2014, 09:51 PM   #18
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Well, this would have never even happened if the country wasn't bombed to oblivion to begin with.
Oh blah blah fukn blah, I'm so sick of people who say "Well if you hadn't done X then Y wouldn't have happened or Z wouldn't be like this..." No solutions, just finger pointing and hand wringing. Just point backwards and cast blame. Destructive, unhelpful, divisive, pissy. Especially all this Bush blaming (I was not a Bush fan nor was I for the War I was always staunchly pro-Troop)...what good does it do to say : "Well, this would have never even happened if the country wasn't bombed to oblivion to begin with."...???

Tell me, what good does it do?

The question is "What do you do NOW?" The past is the past, you can't change it. You can only learn from it. So sitting around bitching, pissing, moaning, whining, and complaining about what happened a decade ago is about as helpful and constructive as old ladies that haunt Miami hotels...

I say let these fucks kill each other, fuck 'em. Unfortunately, the economics and the politics that existed before '03 and that have been created since '03 demand our attention and so someone has to lead. Someone has to have the right answers. Someone has either got to do or not do something.

Again, I say Fuck 'em. Drone strikes and Tomahawks from offshore would be helpful, if the Iraqis paid for it. No boots on the ground for your cowardly asses, though.

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...I think using the GHW Bush is appropriate as fuck too.
Trippy, eh?
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Old 06-13-2014, 09:54 PM   #19
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...Just depends on whether the Iraqi army are willing to fight...
That has always been the biggest problem.
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Just drop Gmike in with a laptop. he can bore the terrorists to death with his YT videos.
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