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Old 11-16-2012, 09:49 PM   #21
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I don't really give a shit either way, but to honestly think that HAMAS would exist without the state of Israel is like saying the founding fathers of the USA just popped into thin air for nothing.

they were traitors, terrorists, murderers etc. in the minds of the redcoats.

Perspective is a bitch. It'd be great if this whole conflict was Good VS Evil, but it isn't, anyone who wants to paint it that way is nieve, ignorant and ultimately dangerous.
HAMAS are to the PLO what The "Real IRA" are to the IRA.

i.e...a bunch of backward thinking theocrats that couldn't face up to the fact that peace was the only real way forward!
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:50 PM   #22
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I don't really give a shit either way, but to honestly think that HAMAS would exist without the state of Israel is like saying the founding fathers of the USA just popped into thin air for nothing.

they were traitors, terrorists, murderers etc. in the minds of the redcoats.

Perspective is a bitch. It'd be great if this whole conflict was Good VS Evil, but it isn't, anyone who wants to paint it that way is nieve, ignorant and ultimately dangerous.
Which is why Hamas will never allow peace and is why Hamas always ends up firing rockets during peace time. Without this conflict with Israel, they'd have no legitimacy. They need this conflict to even continue to exist and to feel important.

I'm not denying or agreeing with the notion whether hamas would exist without Israel, we just don't know the answer to that beyond any reasonable doubt. But i do know if this conflict were to ever find absolute peace between the two, Hamas would basically serve no purpose. They fear peace in this conflict and are 'usually' at fault when the shit hits the fan.

So far they have fired over 800 rockets since January of this year. It never stops; but it has recently esculated and they have fired over 150 in just a few days. They know exactly what they're doing, they started this current situation for obvious reasons. It won't be the last time. They must keep this conflict going to even remain legitimate. They'll never let it end, ever. The only thing they have offered to the people of Palestine is war.

Palestine would be more likely allowed a state if it weren't for Hamas.

(List of Palestinian rocket attacks. 2012)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_Israel,_2012
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:50 PM   #23
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I don't really give a shit either way, but to honestly think that HAMAS would exist without the state of Israel is like saying the founding fathers of the USA just popped into thin air for nothing.

they were traitors, terrorists, murderers etc. in the minds of the redcoats.

Perspective is a bitch. It'd be great if this whole conflict was Good VS Evil, but it isn't, anyone who wants to paint it that way is nieve, ignorant and ultimately dangerous.
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Germany has always been the voice of reason in the past ...
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Which is why Hamas will never allow peace and is why Hamas always ends up firing rockets during peace time. Without this conflict with Israel, they'd have no legitimacy. They need this conflict to even continue to exist and to feel important.

I'm not denying or agreeing with the notion whether hamas would exist without Israel, we just don't know the answer to that beyond any reasonable doubt. But i do know if this conflict were to ever find absolute peace between the two, Hamas would basically serve no purpose. They fear peace in this conflict and are 'usually' at fault when the shit hits the fan.

So far they have fired over 800 rockets since January of this year. It never stops; but it has recently esculated and they have fired over 150 in just a few days. They know exactly what they're doing, they started this current situation for obvious reasons. It won't be the last time. They must keep this conflict going to even remain legitimate. They'll never let it end, ever. The only thing they have offered to the people of Palestine is war.

Palestine would be more likely allowed a state if it weren't for Hamas.

(List of Palestinian rocket attacks. 2012)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_Israel,_2012
THAT, I agree with.
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that's so sad and dumb, that it's almost amusing.
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When did the founding fathers start killing civilians?
what am amazing question! but once again, you are asking for us to do your thinking for you.

ask an american indian....
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I don't really give a shit either way, but to honestly think that HAMAS would exist without the state of Israel is like saying the founding fathers of the USA just popped into thin air for nothing.

they were traitors, terrorists, murderers etc. in the minds of the redcoats.

Perspective is a bitch. It'd be great if this whole conflict was Good VS Evil, but it isn't, anyone who wants to paint it that way is nieve, ignorant and ultimately dangerous.
Unfortunately is about as black and whtie as a conflict can get.. The enemies couldnt be more different other than sharing an abrahamic faith in the sense.

Simply Look at the HAMAS charter or hell the arab league charter regarding Israel. Egypt was kicked out just for making peace with them under Sadat. Oh and he died because of that.

One could argue without communism/socialism none of these groups would even exist. They started out as such organizations. They were getting help from groups like baader/meinhoff, JRA, Italian red brigade, etc.. Communists/socialists actively have helped these groups since the incetption of them going back to the PFLP,PLO, etc..

And heck the JRA(Japanese red army) actually carried out a terror attack at LOD airport back in the day killing 26 people and injuring 80.. WTF were the japanese doing here?

They were socially/politically linked in their idealologies.. And yes that is black and white..
One could argue they are still fighting the cold war, ww2, and all that previous crap.

Theres always gonna be a reason or excuse for Hamas or the arabs to carry out some attack because they cant get over the fact that israel just isnt going away.
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