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Old 04-27-2018, 01:24 AM   #21
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You’re right, it seems like the NHS just doesn’t wanna admit they’re wrong, they care more about being right than trying everything they can to treat this child.
I'll admit I have an ideology about this but I have a very human and understandable ideology. In short, it's that the closest family members decide, not doctors. Doctors deal with the art of medicine and they don't know everything. I'm fine with doctors making medical decisions but this starving someone or forcibly stopping love ones from doing what they can, aren't medical decisions. Families should make the decisions over life and death and families should decide when treatment is over.

Alright, I get the point about doctors saying he shouldn't be on life support. Okay, he's not on life support and he's still alive and breathing on his own....so what medicine is it that actually prescribes 1) starving a child to death and 2) making sure no other medical professionals can try to save him?



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Don't think the police would be willing to die to let the hospital murder someone if this was happening in the US. The people in the UK need to do what's right and get him out of there, by force if necessary.
It's a children's hospital. I wouldn't really want something like this to turn into a raid. That being said, I would find it understandable if people did try to take him out of the hospital and to Italy by force.

The Italian government said it's going to file murder charges against the UK government's NHS if Alfie dies. Italy has made the entire family citizens of Italy and has doctors and a hospital on standby to receive a helicopter transporting Alfie. The helicopter is sitting in the UK on standby.
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Old 04-27-2018, 01:54 AM   #22
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Old 04-27-2018, 02:05 AM   #23
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So the father is hoping he’ll be able to bring him home soon. He called on his supporters to “stand down” and said he’s trying to build a relationship with the drs and what not so he can bring his son home soon. This came after a meeting w/them this morning. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...lfies-12433620

I think he’s realized he’s at their mercy and is just trying to do everything he can to get his son home.

I just hope they didn’t just give him false hope of being able to take his son home innorder to get him to shut up and not take them back to court.
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:12 AM   #24
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so, this all comes down to the doctors not liking the attitude of the parents.

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A British doctor treating Alfie Evans told reporters off the record his parents won’t be allowed to take their child out of the hospital, even to die at home, unless there is a “sea change” in their attitude.
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http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/26/...-bad-attitude/

Tell me again how the NHS has such professional doctors.
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Old 04-27-2018, 10:25 AM   #25
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The former Republican congressman and radio host Joe Walsh tweeted: “Why does an American need an AR-15?’ To make sure what’s happening to #AlfieEvans never happens here. That’s why.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-nhs-ted-cruz

Political point scoring on the unimaginable hurt suffered by many in this case.

Even the Italian hospital recognises nothing can be done to save the poor kid.

The family quite rightly wanted help but instead got shafted by people with an agenda.

And as for the 'army' of alleged supporters harassing visitors and staff at the hospital well thats just typical but so very sad.

so many with comments regarding the docs and hospital but very few wishing him or his parents well in this terrible time.

As his father said - go home and get back to your lives as Alfie no longer needs care.

Very sad indeed.
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Old 04-27-2018, 10:27 AM   #26
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Sir Andres McFarlane, of course, knows what is Alfie's best interest because he has "Sir" in front of his name.

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Alfie’s best interests are to continue with the end of life care plan developed by the clinical team who have cared for him throughout. Our top priority therefore remains in ensuring Alfie receives the care he deserves.… We would be grateful if respect and consideration is shown to all our staff, patients and families at the hospital at this difficult time.
Yes, I'm quite sure the title "Sir" is magical and makes Andyboy Supreme because Sir Andy would definitely allow his own child to starve to death.
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Old 04-27-2018, 10:31 AM   #27
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Blah blah Blah kill the toddler
Very sad indeed.
But then there's this.......

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George Pickering's adult son was on life support in a Texas hospital. Doctors declared him brain dead, but Pickering felt his son squeeze his hand to communicate, and was convinced he could recover. When the hospital started to cut off life support, the father holed up in his son's room with a handgun to stop the process. "They were moving too fast," he said. He was arrested and jailed, but when he got out, his son had recovered — a rare outcome.

In other states, laws favor parents willing to go to court. Jahi McMath, a teenager, was declared brain dead by a California hospital ready to stop life support. But Jahi's mother won the right to take her daughter home, where she is still living four years later on a ventilator.

Hospitals claim ending life support is in the child's "best interest." Don't believe it. Oxford University ethics professor Julian Savulescu says there are few conditions painful enough to contemplate ending a child's life. He cites epidermolysis bullosa, where a baby's skin peels off relentlessly, causing extreme, unrelenting pain, infection and death within a year. But Charlie Gard, Alfie Evans, Jahi McMath and the other children denied care weren't in pain.

Cost is why many hospitals pull the plug, says Savulescu. They should be honest about it. Instead, hospitals stick to their phony argument about protecting the child's "best interests."

They refuse to say more, hiding behind claims they're protecting patient privacy. As if it's OK to end a child's life but not to publicly disclose the child's condition.

Hospitals need to back off their authoritarian "we know best" posture. And show respect for parents.
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Old 04-27-2018, 11:10 AM   #28
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They should have let them go straight away. It would have been funded by donations.
Hospitals cant spend money they dont have..what can a Dr..even a Sir do about that?

You are really anti UK at the moment..all i see is butthurt yanks pissing on about someone elses problems while blinkering off the load they have.
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Please let Alfie go home ... give him his dignity ...
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He died. RIP little guy.

Welcome to the world of socialized medicine. Where medical professionals and the state decide whether your life is worthy enough to live or die.
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