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Old 03-26-2012, 03:12 AM   #101
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how much would that be in their money?
I'm pretty sure it's quite a lot of money in the Afghan society but is that enough. The value of a human life is still less in Afghanistan then it is in the west.

That money will buy food etc. bacic stuff for those people in Afghanistan but I don't think they can leave Afghanistan with that money. So it's not really an improved situation for them.
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Old 03-26-2012, 04:10 AM   #102
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I'm pretty sure it's quite a lot of money in the Afghan society but is that enough. The value of a human life is still less in Afghanistan then it is in the west.

That money will buy food etc. bacic stuff for those people in Afghanistan but I don't think they can leave Afghanistan with that money. So it's not really an improved situation for them.
Dude, they fucking routinely sell their children in that part of the world to religious schools. So yes, $50,000 for a life is probably more than the taliban gives them.


*edit* I looked up the figures for children being sold to the Taliban. they were giving $6,000 - $12,000 USD per child. Life is cheap in that part of the world, stop projecting your western ideals into some fantasy of how these people live b/c if you visited you would probably be horrified at the way children get treated over there.

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Old 03-26-2012, 05:14 AM   #103
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Dude, they fucking routinely sell their children in that part of the world to religious schools. So yes, $50,000 for a life is probably more than the taliban gives them.


*edit* I looked up the figures for children being sold to the Taliban. they were giving $6,000 - $12,000 USD per child. Life is cheap in that part of the world, stop projecting your western ideals into some fantasy of how these people live b/c if you visited you would probably be horrified at the way children get treated over there.
I haven't visited there but I know a couple of guys who have. They said that there are quite a few, and by few I mean a lot, of orphans and kids whose parents are too poor to take care of them running around. Many try to get help from where ever they can, including the taliban.
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Old 03-29-2012, 04:17 PM   #104
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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/29/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1

"Bales was allegedly first spotted leaving the base around 1 a.m. by an Afghan guard. It is not clear why the guard did not alert Bales' superiors at that time, and the official said Bales was not noticed when he returned to the compound an hour later.

It was then, during about 30 minutes when he was on the base, that he returned to his accommodation and woke at least one roommate, another U.S. Army soldier, the official said.

"The exact conversation is unclear," the official said, but Bales claimed he had been killing Afghan civilians off the base, which his roommate dismissed as nonsense.

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A search party was then formed, but within a few meters of leaving the compound, it ran into Bales, who had been spotted by a surveillance camera returning toward the base.

That was at 3:30 a.m., about 2˝ hours after he first left the base, the official said, stressing that fashioning a precise timeline of that night has been challenging.

U.S. soldiers noticed Bales had blood on him, and he dropped to the ground saying nothing, the official said. "

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Old 03-30-2012, 02:43 AM   #105
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The New York Times quoted a "senior" American official saying the soldier had been drinking before the alleged shooting."When it all comes out, it will be a combination of stress, alcohol and domestic issues — he just snapped,"


The day before his friend had his leg blown off.. Looks like he wanted payback
Of course he just snapped. But why and how? Four tours. The dude signed up after 9/11. He's been at war for ten years. America has been at war for ten years. Ten years. Perhaps this is an example of what happens when conflicts get drawn out too long. Maybe Obama should be quicker in wrapping this shit up and bringing people home.
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Old 03-30-2012, 09:40 AM   #106
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Of course he just snapped. But why and how? Four tours. The dude signed up after 9/11. He's been at war for ten years. America has been at war for ten years. Ten years. Perhaps this is an example of what happens when conflicts get drawn out too long. Maybe Obama should be quicker in wrapping this shit up and bringing people home.
I think US leadership of the war in Afghanistan has been below par. But since there is no system in place to hold US accountable for the mistakes and outright war crimes it has committed nothing changes.

If you watch the vid in the above CNN story the Afghanis are angry about Bales being taken to US. If an Afghan soldier did a crime in US would that soldier also be taken to Afghanistan to be sentenced? Doubt it. But this is the system that US forces on not just weak, developing countries like Afghanistan but the whole of the rest of the world.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:10 AM   #107
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Of course he just snapped. But why and how? Four tours. The dude signed up after 9/11. He's been at war for ten years. America has been at war for ten years. Ten years. Perhaps this is an example of what happens when conflicts get drawn out too long. Maybe Obama should be quicker in wrapping this shit up and bringing people home.
That's if you subscribe to the US militaries "lone rogue, isolated incident" version of events. The Afghan witnesses seem to tell a different story. They tell of a number of individuals & their version of events seems to be the more believable version, than that one "mentally deranged, drunken, rogue individual" went to two seperate vilages 7k apart, entered homes, rounding up & shooting over 20 people, killing 17 including women & children.. Then piling up all the bodies & attempting to burn them as a way of destroying evidence. That's quite a task for "one lone individual"?

Mass murder of unarmed, innocent civilians in their own homes seems to have happened with alarming frequency since the invasion of both Iraq & Afghanistan. There have been a number of incidents where groups of US troops have forced their way into homes in Iraq & deliberately shot dead women & children.

In one case (revealed by WikiLeaks) in Central Iraq in 2006, that sinisterly presages this latest atrocity “troops entered a house, handcuffed all residents and executed all of them.” Mr. Faiz Hratt Khalaf, (aged 28), his wife Sumay’ya Abdul Razzaq Khuther (aged 24), their three children Hawra’a (aged 5) Aisha ( aged 3) and Husam (5 MONTHS OLD), Faiz’s mother Ms. Turkiya Majeed Ali (aged 74), Faiz’s sister (name unknown), Faiz’s nieces Asma’a Yousif Ma’arouf (aged 5 years old), and Usama Yousif Ma’arouf (aged 3 years), and a visiting relative Ms. Iqtisad Hameed Mehdi (aged 23) were killed during the raid.

The cables then reveal that a US airstrike was launched on the house presumably to destroy the evidence, but that autopsies carried out at the Tikrit Hospital’s morgue revealed that all corpses were shot in the head and handcuffed.

There was also the incident in Haditha where US troops entered homes & deliberately opened fire & shot dead 24 civilians including women, children & even a man in a wheelchair.

I am sure there have been other incidents that have been successfully covered up. As they only come to light when there have been independants witnesses & the US military have been unable to supress the facts & the evidence.

What kind of people can deliberately execute 3 year old & 5 year old children & A FIVE MONTH OLD BABY?
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:24 AM   #108
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I haven't visited there but I know a couple of guys who have. They said that there are quite a few, and by few I mean a lot, of orphans and kids whose parents are too poor to take care of them running around. Many try to get help from where ever they can, including the taliban.


"The dancing boys of afgh." by CurrentTV is a great doc about how severe the orphanage issue is in afgh. along with many other cultural differences that might shock you.
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