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Old 03-15-2018, 09:58 PM   #1
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Interesting story here. It's about how the USSR broke the treaty banning chemical weapons in the 1980's and how it became a weapon of assassination.

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What a brave Russian scientist told me about Novichok, the nerve agent identified in the spy attack


Thanks to the Russian nerve agent “Novichok,” I once got to see the inside of an interrogation room at Lefortovo, the old KGB prison on the east side of Moscow.

It was in 1993. The Russians were not pleased that I had written an article the year before disclosing the existence of Novichok, identified Monday by British investigators as the weapon used last week in the attempted murder of former Soviet spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury.

The nerve agent was top secret back then, especially sensitive because the Soviet Union, under Mikhail Gorbachev, had renounced the use and production of chemical weapons. Its existence came to light thanks to the scruples of a brave scientist named Vil Mirzayanov, who had worked at the State Union Scientific Research Institute for Organic Chemistry and Technology. The institute was described by one of its top officials as “the leader in the technology of chemical destruction.”

On a gray September afternoon, Mirzayanov and a scientist-activist named Lev Fyodorov came by the Moscow office of the Baltimore Sun, where I was working. The Cold War was supposedly over, and Mirzayanov had been growing more and more angry over the secret weapons work. He decided to go public, and the two scientists told me that they had arranged to publish an article the next day in the Moskovsky Novosti newspaper. But, they said, they thought they could ensure some measure of security for themselves by also getting the story out in the West. After all, they reasoned, the United States and Russia were on friendly terms, American aid was crucial to Russian stability and no one should have any need of nerve agents.

They told me Russia had a nerve agent 10 times more powerful than VX, a powerful chemical weapon, and that work on it was continuing. I wrote a story that day after checking in with Western experts, who were skeptical of the claim — to put it mildly. But in the month that followed, I tracked down more scientists who worked at the institute and wrote a fuller story that named the new agent: Novichok No. 5.

I learned that research on Novichok had begun in 1987, even as the Soviet Union said it would unilaterally halt all its chemical-weapons programs. It had been developed at the institute and tested in a place called Shikhani, in southeastern Russia, and in the Nukus region of Uzbekistan. I spoke to one scientist, Andrei Zheleznyakov, who had been exposed to a minute amount of Novichok in a lab accident five years prior. He staggered out after the mishap, his vision, as I wrote, “seared by brilliant colors and hallucinations.” Zheleznyakov never fully recovered, and he died shortly after I interviewed him.

[Even if a Russian hit on British soil is confirmed, what can London do about it?]

The Russian government, by then under Boris Yeltsin, said that it had never renounced doing research on chemical weapons strictly for defensive purposes. It said Russia was not stockpiling Novichok, which explains why it had not felt obligated to report its existence under chemical-weapons conventions.

“We played the game under the agreed-upon rules,” I was told by Gen. Anatoly Kuntsevich, Yeltsin's adviser on chemical and biological disarmament.

In 1993, Mirzayanov was arrested and charged with divulging state secrets. (He was not allowed to know the specifics of the charge, which was itself a state secret.) He was held for months in pretrial detention. During that time, I was summoned by the successor agency to the KGB to appear for an interrogation at Lefortovo. I was allowed to bring my own translator, so I asked Andrei Mironov to accompany me. He was a former dissident and political prisoner who had no fear of the security services.

My interrogator was Capt. Viktor Shkarin. He asked if I minded if he smoked. I said I did, which seemed to agitate him quite a lot. The interrogation room smelled strongly of old cooked cabbage.

It quickly became evident that Shkarin was trying to maneuver me into giving testimony he could use against Mirzayanov. He would ask a question; Mironov would translate it — though I could generally follow along; I would answer in English; Mironov would translate that, frequently giving me advice on how to answer. Then Shkarin would turn to an ancient word processor and write out a question that wasn't really the question he had just asked, along with an answer that was quite far from the answer I had given. Then we would fall to arguing and negotiating over language. This continued all day. In the end I refused to sign the protocol of the interrogation.

Shkarin threatened to keep me in detention, but Mironov said he would sign it as my interpreter — and it's a good thing he did. Months later, when Mirzayanov was on trial and the Russian government was desperately looking for an excuse to drop the charges against him — the United States and Germany were pressuring Moscow over the case — Mironov was able to use his standing as signatory to declare that my protocol was an unfaithful transcript.

Presto. Mirzayanov walked free — and walked home, because he didn't have bus fare.

Sometime after that, Mirzayanov moved to New Jersey and took a position at Rutgers University. In 2000, I wrote a follow-up story about a joint U.S.-Russian program to destroy the last of Russia's chemical weapons. Apparently, it didn't take.
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Old 03-15-2018, 10:28 PM   #2
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Interesting story here. It's about how the USSR broke the treaty banning chemical weapons in the 1980's and how it became a weapon of assassination.


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Oh and also, Jeremy Corbyn is a dork in a bucket.
I would not be surprised if corbyn receives a stipend from some obscure russian government department.
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Interesting story here. It's about how the USSR broke the treaty banning chemical weapons in the 1980's and how it became a weapon of assassination.


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Oh and also, Jeremy Corbyn is a dork in a bucket.
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I would not be surprised if corbyn receives a stipend from some obscure russian government department.
I seen your comments whats your opinon on the current uk political climate?
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Interesting story here. It's about how the USSR broke the treaty banning chemical weapons in the 1980's and how it became a weapon of assassination.

It's a lie. Who did the analysis of toxic substances ? The time when the examination was carried out ? That in addition to the words and guesses on this ? ... Next lie from English "nobles".
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It's a lie. Who did the analysis of toxic substances ? The time when the examination was carried out ? That in addition to the words and guesses on this ? ... Next lie from English "nobles".
If the spooks can't get the next cold war going now Trump in office, they are going to try through the next proxy the UK.
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If the spooks can't get the next cold war going now Trump in office, they are going to try through the next proxy the UK.
Ironic how the left talks about Trump starting a nuclear war with North Korea. All while they do everything they possibly can to initiate a full blown war between the US and our largest adversary, Russia. A country with 50 times the power, stockpiles and expertise in nuclear weapons.
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It is well established that Russia has violated EVERY treaty that it has ever signed since Stalin.
At least.
Historically, we can't go back beyond the Czars, since Lenin set aside all internal and regional agreements, and all international treaties, once the Bolshevist effected their putsch.
Then used terror to effect dominance.
Since Stalin, to this very day, the Russian military has had dominance over every aspect of the russian economy.
Today, the world sees that Russia is a militarized kleptocracy.
Irrespective of what Putin says, in his few campaign speeches.
Paying lip service to the needs of the people,
while advocating the militarization of the kleptocracy.

history shows that personality cults are the most destructive to a nation.
Whether the origin is royalist, democratic, republic, collective, communist, socialist.
All nations can all fall to this cult of personality.




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It is well established that Russia has violated EVERY treaty that it has ever signed since Stalin.
At least.
Historically, we can't go back beyond the Czars, since Lenin set aside all internal and regional agreements, and all international treaties, once the Bolshevist effected their putsch.
Then used terror to effect dominance.
Since Stalin, to this very day, the Russian military has had dominance over every aspect of the russian economy.
Today, the world sees that Russia is a militarized kleptocracy.
Irrespective of what Putin says, in his few campaign speeches.
Paying lip service to the needs of the people,
while advocating the militarization of the kleptocracy.

history shows that personality cults are the most destructive to a nation.
Whether the origin is royalist, democratic, republic, collective, communist, socialist.
All nations can all fall to this cult of personality.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0
How can you expect anything different when the West has wanted to "contain" Russia since Roman times?
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