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Old 04-06-2009, 05:24 PM   #21
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Yeah, but usually if you pull a gun and fire a shot, the criminal won't stick around for a firefight... which is why semiautos are kind of ridiculous as well.

He will "stick around" if you aim is true.

So you semi autos are bad?

You are assuming that EVERY criminal will turn and run when confronted. You can take that chance if you want. Your choice - buy a bolt action, pump, or a musket if you think semis' are not needed.

I think I want to gain every little advantage I can when it comes to a gunfight.

Don't try to take my choice from me.
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:18 PM   #22
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Most of the time - the police arrive after the fact.

Defending yourself is a split second decision.
But you'd be much better off if the person coming at you didn't have a gun
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:22 PM   #23
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You can own a tank AND a helicopter AND a gun. Guns were around at the time, FYI.
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Comparing a machine capable of flight to a horse is a HUGE stretch.
I also think arguing that the constitution argues for private individuals to be armed to any extent possible is just as far a stretch.

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People using "assault rifles" for crimes is very limited. They use things that are easier/ cheaper to get a hold of such as shotguns and handguns. Getting a fully automatic weapon is very difficult and costs extreme amounts of money to do legally.
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And just so you know, if someone is intent on killing you; he/she/it will have done so well before the minutes that it will take for the police to get there (if they even come at all).
This is the problem. Without a concentration of power/force the state can run in to anarchy. It's all well and good to suggest that the citizens must have the capacity to defend themselves against the tyranny of the state, but how do you protect yourselves from the tyranny of others? Arming everyone? Clearly, this doesn't work as well as it should.
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:22 PM   #24
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But you'd be much better off if the person coming at you didn't have a gun
And how do you make sure he doesn't?

Home Owner: *hears window breaking*

Hello? Who's there? Do you have a weapon? What kind of weapon is it?

Criminal:

Oh its nothing to worry about... its just a pointed stick....

So you would rather it be a fair fight when you are defending yourself... not me...

Let me have my choice of weapons... you can have the pointed stick.
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:23 PM   #25
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FIRE SHOULD BE OUTLAWED !! Knives should be outlawed. What gives you the right to be able to burn me or stab me ? If they don't do it with a gun, they'll find another means Sheik. Think about it...
This isn't a very good argument. Guns are made for killing; knives and hammers are tools that can be abused for the purposes of assault.
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:26 PM   #26
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This isn't a very good argument. Guns are made for killing; knives and hammers are tools that can be abused for the purposes of assault.
Yep and just about anything can be weaponized - ever seen McGyver?
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Yep and just about anything can be weaponized - ever seen McGyver?
lol, nope. Explain?!
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:28 PM   #28
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And how do you make sure he doesn't?

Home Owner: *hears window breaking*

Hello? Who's there? Do you have a weapon? What kind of weapon is it?

Criminal:

Oh its nothing to worry about... its just a pointed stick....

So you would rather it be a fair fight when you are defending yourself... not me...

Let me have my choice of weapons... you can have the pointed stick.
How can it be a fair fight if both of you have pistols? Settle with fists, lol.

Seriously, you think that having a gun plays to your advantage in this situation?
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:28 PM   #29
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But you'd be much better off if the person coming at you didn't have a gun
You're not suggesting the street market for guns is going to dry up because law abiding citizens are prevented from owning them are you?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGyver

How about the "A-team"? They weaponized everything!
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