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Old 12-07-2017, 07:10 PM   #11
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The movie was shit..............little things messed it up for me like....one minute the sea is rough, next shot its calm as fuck, not enough soldiers on the beaches, was like you had to imagine their were more. The director could have used CGI to fill out the beaches with soldiers. Royal air force consisted of only 3 spitfires and Navy only had 2 Destroyers.....lol
The Directors done a disservice to the British and French veterans.
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:34 PM   #12
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i watched it and learned that Tom Hardy can get paid a shit load of money for not really doin that much, oh and some bloke from a boy band can be a right twat but we already knew that
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...was the fact that Hitler halted several armored divisions and let the British escape as a show of good will or rather than exterminate them which he certainly could have done so otherwise. Evil knows no gratitude.
The British "killed the wrong pig" as Churchill later wrote as the Iron Curtain fell across Europe until 1989.
Hitler kept the armored corps back because fat Herman wanted the glory for his Luftwaffe, he told Hitler he could finish the job without ground forces
He failed miserably
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Old 12-07-2017, 11:40 PM   #14
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...was the fact that Hitler halted several armored divisions and let the British escape as a show of good will or rather than exterminate them which he certainly could have done so otherwise. Evil knows no gratitude.
The British "killed the wrong pig" as Churchill later wrote as the Iron Curtain fell across Europe until 1989.
Hitler halted german forces for one reason: to make the point to the aristocratic Wehrmacht officer corps that HE was Der Fuehrer. Adolph would command. Adolph would decide. Nobody else. After Gen. Guderian smashed through french defenses and then exploited the advantage against his orders, the german generals immediately began discussing among themselves how to best prosecute the rest of the campaign. Someone informed Der Fuehrer that these command discussions were being conducted AND HE HAD NOT BEEN CONSULTED!!!

So Hitler commanded them to halt, to make his point. And he decided to give the job of destroying the BEF to his nazi crony Goering and the Luftwaffe. It failed. But the point was made, and Hitler didn't have to worry about his Generals making decisions without him again....even while he was sleeping and the Allies were landing in Normandy, June 1944. His Generals waited for his orders instead of immediately crushing the invasion.

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Hitler halted german forces for one reason: to make the point to the aristocratic Wehrmacht officer corps that HE was Der Fuehrer. Adolph would command. Adolph would decide. Nobody else. After Gen. Guderian smashed through french defenses and then exploited the advantage against his orders, the german generals immediately began discussing among themselves how to best prosecute the rest of the campaign. Someone informed Der Fuehrer that these command discussions were being conducted AND HE HAD NOT BEEN CONSULTED!!!

So Hitler commanded them to halt, to make his point. And he decided to give the job of destroying the BEF to his nazi crony Goering and the Luftwaffe. It failed. But the point was made, and Hitler didn't have to worry about his Generals making decisions without him again....even while he was sleeping and the Allies were landing in Normandy, June 1944. His Generals waited for his orders instead of immediately crushing the invasion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsyNrSr8Lh4
1 minute into that doco is a million times more entertaining then watching Dunkirk 2017 movie.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:43 PM   #16
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Hitler didn't stop to let the British get away as a show of good will (although he did desperately want peace with the UK as he considered us part of the same master race).

He stopped because he and the rest of the German high command were completely dumbfounded at how quickly and easily they had cut through two superpowers (France and Britain). They thought it might be some kind of trap... lure the Germans in and then hammer the flanks when they're far from their supply bases.

So Goering suggested his Luftwaffle could bomb them to oblivion and the Germans kept their forces back to rest and resupply for a final big push (which didn't happen because Britain ferried everything back to Britain on rickety old fishin' boats).

We know with hindsight that the British and French couldn't resist but you have to try and imagine what the German high command were thinking in the moment. Probably something like this:

"Mein gott, vat kind of sinister trap is zis ve are being lured in to? 20 years ago ve lost millions of soldiers just to advance 70km into France, und now ve have taken ze whole country in a matter of veeks. Zeez two supapowahs vill surely be plotting ein massive counterattack any moment now! Ve must halt ze advance before it is too late!!!".

I mean come on... there was a plot to assassinate Hitler when he announced he was invading France. They all thought it was suicide. France was probably the world's #1 superpower in terms of army size, most tanks and so forth.
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This revisionism gets you one ounce of pyrite.
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Lying and hypocritical propaganda is pyrite or fools gold for the Rubes while the Carnies stole the real gold.
Who or whom actually won that war?
The Carnies, and not the Allies nor the Axis that actually lost so much blood and treasure thereby.

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Hitler didn't stop to let the British get away as a show of good will (although he did desperately want peace with the UK as he considered us part of the same master race).

He stopped because he and the rest of the German high command were completely dumbfounded at how quickly and easily they had cut through two superpowers (France and Britain). They thought it might be some kind of trap... lure the Germans in and then hammer the flanks when they're far from their supply bases.

So Goering suggested his Luftwaffle could bomb them to oblivion and the Germans kept their forces back to rest and resupply for a final big push (which didn't happen because Britain ferried everything back to Britain on rickety old fishin' boats).

We know with hindsight that the British and French couldn't resist but you have to try and imagine what the German high command were thinking in the moment. Probably something like this:

"Mein gott, vat kind of sinister trap is zis ve are being lured in to? 20 years ago ve lost millions of soldiers just to advance 70km into France, und now ve have taken ze whole country in a matter of veeks. Zeez two supapowahs vill surely be plotting ein massive counterattack any moment now! Ve must halt ze advance before it is too late!!!".

I mean come on... there was a plot to assassinate Hitler when he announced he was invading France. They all thought it was suicide. France was probably the world's #1 superpower in terms of army size, most tanks and so forth.
The German high command who wanted to drive the British and French forces into the sea were over ruled and ordered to halt the armor
The decision was Hitlers, against the advise of his generals
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Hitler kept the armored corps back because fat Herman wanted the glory for his Luftwaffe, he told Hitler he could finish the job without ground forces
He failed miserably
That is not what the actual facts indicate.

Hitler did not want war with the British and by not exterminating the 300,000 plus BEF at Dunkirk he hoped it showed the British that Bolshevism was his real enemy and that a peace with the British could be perhaps possible.

Again, evil knows no gratitude.

"WELL, it seems a fair guess that the sources on which Sir Ian Kershaw had relied for the previously unknown War Cabinet peace deliberations in the spring of 1940 (in fact May and June 1940) were in fact my Churchill and Hitler biographies, "Churchill's War", vol. i: "Struggle for Power" and "Hitler's War" (Millennium Edition, 2002).

Both books were the product of the kind of original research -- and thinking -- for which Kershaw is not renowned. He was rewarded for his conformity with a knighthood a few years back, and so far as I know has spent little of his time in solitary confinement in prison.

In the spring of 1940 the bombing of London had not begun, and Hitler had used several channels to inform leading Britons that he had no interest in destroying their Empire -- which was true.

At that time there was a powerful peace movement in the Cabinet. Several ministers predicted that the British Empire would be ruined by fighting a needless war against the Nazis to benefit, not the British, but their recent immigrants from Germany who were the ones pushing hardest for war in 1938 and 1939. As Machiavelli wrote, Never heed the advice of immigrants. (Ironically, in May 1940 the British interned most of them as dangerous aliens. But the damage had been done).

Most outspoken for peace (behind the closed doors of No., 10 Downing Street) were the former Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, whom Churchill had replaced by underhand tactics on May 10; Lord Halifax, the foreign minister (whom Churchill sent into exile in July, as ambassador in Washington); and Lord Beaverbrook, the press magnate. The Cabinet was thus evenly divided. Halifax argued the most powerfully for accepting Hitler's peace offer, calling it most reasonable.

Churchill had only just come into office however, and had a lifetime of political failure behind him. To accept peace now would have marked the end of his personal ambitions. While stating in one Cabinet session that he too felt it would be wrong to jeopardize the Empire needlessly, the next day he came back and stated that there could be no question of "surrender" -- the loaded word he chose. Halifax walked him out into the garden at No. 10, and continued the argument, but Churchill would not be talked out of it.

In mid June 1940, R A Butler of the Foreign Office -- later a deputy prime minister, who nearly found himself giving me Hitler's Mein Kampf at our school prize day in 1956 -- confided to a Swiss diplomat that the British wanted to accept, and they would not allow their mad prime minister to do otherwise. But Churchill was in the position that George W Bush and Tony Blair are in now: the whole world wanted disengagement and peace, but he saw it as his own personal ruin.

To kill off the peace movement Churchill did two things: he ordered the bombardment of the French fleet at Mers el-Kébir early in July, and he provoked the bombing of London by deliberately attacking Berlin in the last week of August, on a pretext. (He himself hid out in Oxfordshire every time Intelligence sources told him London was going to be bombed). The archives leave no doubt.

After the first raid on Berlin, Hitler hurried back to his capital and secretly instructed Hess to make one final attempt to establish contact with his high-placed friends in Britain, to halt the madness. Hess fumbled; the war continued, and the Empire was lost. As I stated in "Churchill's War", vol. i: "Struggle for Power", Winston was the destroyer of two empires - one of them his own."
---David Irving, British WWII Historian.
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http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/History...fo_070407.html



Now the British are being replaced by an invasion of their islands by millions of their former colonies third world natives.
And also by a recent invasion of millions of "primitive religious fanatics" or as is all of the rest of Europe.
"The Camp of the Saints" was quite prophetic.

Evil knows no gratitude, indeed!

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That is not what the actual facts indicate.
Hitler did not want war with the British and by not exterminating the 300,000 plus BEF at Dunkirk he hoped it showed the British that Bolshevism was his real enemy and that a peace with the British could be perhaps possible.
Again, evil knows no gratitude.

Now the British are being replaced by an invasion of their islands by millions of their former colonies third world natives.
And by a recent invasion of millions of "primitive religious fanatics" also as is all of the rest of Europe.
"The Camp of the Saints" was quite prophetic.
Evil knows no gratitude, indeed!
i did stop replying to you but this is utter shite and needs saying
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