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Old 11-29-2014, 02:50 AM   #61
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Sounds good to me.
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Old 11-29-2014, 05:53 AM   #62
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No. That would exclude many long term unemployed or others who have been disadvantaged by the system. Say you don't have a job because the sector shrunk in your profession. A political candidate promises to promote policies that may revive the sector giving you a chance at employment in future. You can't vote for the chance to have a job because...you don't have a job?

Fuck that.

I got one for you - how about only those who support wars be called upon to fight them?
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Old 11-29-2014, 05:55 AM   #63
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If taxes were collected through consumption rather than income, almost everyone would pay taxes. Those who spent the most would pay the most. Those who spent the least would pay the least. Everyone would pay taxes, and you wouldn't even need to ask the question of whether or not taxpayers should be the only ones who can vote.
Not bad but it would have to be a nominal consumption tax or it would affect the poor much more than the rich. The bulk of taxes would still have to come from other sources.
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Old 11-29-2014, 04:42 PM   #64
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no, but all citizens should
Who would you exempt and let's not just do an ad-hoc list. Give a policy.

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Old 11-29-2014, 04:44 PM   #65
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Hell yes only tax payers should vote. I am tired of feeding niglets that are raised with hate,thug life and taking advantge of the system.
I agree that we should tighten our social systems to try to eliminate the need for them.

We are just using the poor as a make work project at the moment for those with a lot more cash.

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Old 11-29-2014, 04:45 PM   #66
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Sounds good to me.
We seem to be the majority voice.

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Old 11-29-2014, 04:50 PM   #67
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No. That would exclude many long term unemployed or others who have been disadvantaged by the system. Say you don't have a job because the sector shrunk in your profession. A political candidate promises to promote policies that may revive the sector giving you a chance at employment in future. You can't vote for the chance to have a job because...you don't have a job?

Fuck that.

I got one for you - how about only those who support wars be called upon to fight them?
That would not be workable as it would leave us open to attack if few would fight.

If the person you describe as un-employed in the long term has not already earned the vote, then he is rather dense if he does not look for some other work and just sits there on the dole.

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Old 11-29-2014, 04:52 PM   #68
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Not bad but it would have to be a nominal consumption tax or it would affect the poor much more than the rich. The bulk of taxes would still have to come from other sources.
Sales or VAT taxes are regressive taxes and should all be eliminated because, as you say, the poor are hurt by them a lot more than the rich and that is unjust.

We should be helping the poor. Not penalizing them and making them more poor as compared to the rich.

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Old 11-29-2014, 05:40 PM   #69
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I would say that only those who pay taxes can vote, but sometimes people can't and it's not their fault.

I see the problem as being with those who spend our taxes, especially on a Federal level. I would like to take politicians out of the process... in fact I would like to kick politicians out of Washington.

At the Federal level all we need is a President to negotiate treaties. In fact that was the original intent, that the Federal government is an Agent of the people, it is or should be an 'agency' relationship. Agency is a contract like you have with your Real Estate agent. He speaks for you, he does not tell you what to do and sure as hell does not demand you do what he tells you to do.

So how do we get back to this? A voluntary tax.

A voluntary tax in that you 'volunteer' to assign your share to where YOU want it to be spent.

I know that the only thing that is specifically required, of the Federal Government by the Constitution is to 'provide for a common defense'.


Your tax form would be this:

I assign my share of taxes to National Defense.
Otherwise, I assign my share in percentages as checked below:

(series of checkboxes next to various 'goodies' that people want to gift themselves)

simple quick and no more social engineering to buy votes.

I would add that a minimum be paid to National Defense because of it's Constitution requirement for funding.



Don't tell me I'm crazy because I'll tell you to keep your hands out of my pockets....
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Old 11-29-2014, 07:45 PM   #70
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