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Old 12-16-2014, 11:03 PM   #1
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This thread isn't in the religion section for a reason. I don't really care about theist/atheist debate. It's a debate for mouth breathers and one level thinkers.

EDIT: I mean the people who obsess on it, not the regular contributors who read it and make valid points. I, in no way, meant to disparage sound, well reasoned opinions. I meant the religious crap spewed forth from the ignorati and the hate spewed forth by the militantly atheists who can't abide by the fact that someone doesn't totally agree with them about religion being "false", therefore, wrong, therefore evil ideology. Excuse me if I offended those who can actually debate like adults, I think you know who you are.

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There's been plenty of people since the Sydney hostage atrocity saying such and such is going to be the downfall of Islam. The problem is, I don't see a single indication that Islam is headed for a downfall. I see quite the opposite. ISIS is more of threat than Al Quaeda, has more global appeal and is the first terrorist organization to actually create it's own terrorist nation. I understand we don't want to legitimize ISIS with "nationhood" but it is and hiding that fact is counter productive. Furthermore, Islam is gaining adherents everywhere in the world simply because of it's high birthrate and it's ability to pull in a bunch of wingnuts who exist in the margins of society. The concessions being made for Islam, which is actually a tiny minority in some developed nations, is almost absurd given the larger and more peaceful minority groups that exist in those same developed nations. I certainly don't see a downfall of Islam anytime soon. What I do see, is the gutting out of "western" civilization and the rise of Islam in it's ashes.
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Old 12-16-2014, 11:09 PM   #2
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Of course it's not going to be the downfall of Islam, even the murder of those Pakistani kids won't dent the zealousness of the followers...but, Islam is divided by sects, so those not in the particular sect committing an atrocity will cry and weep, those in the same sect will say it's gods will.
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Old 12-16-2014, 11:14 PM   #3
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Of course it's not going to be the downfall of Islam, even the murder of those Pakistani kids won't dent the zealousness of the followers...but, Islam is divided by sects, so those not in the particular sect committing an atrocity will cry and weep, those in the same sect will say it's gods will.
Every major religion is divided by sects. The thing is, those sects have a tendency to unite together against anything unIslamic. I think people in the "west" think, the internal divisions of Islam are much more significant than they actually are. Sydney's terrorist nutjob was a Shia yet he was asking for a Wahabbi Sunni inspired flag. K, we can all laugh and say, he was a dummy because he didn't even know his own Shia faith, but I'm guessing he did and thought Aussies were the bigger problem.
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Every major religion is divided by sects. The thing is, those sects have a tendency to unite together against anything unIslamic. I think people in the "west" think, the internal divisions of Islam are much more significant than they actually are. Sydney's terrorist nutjob was a Shia yet he was asking for a Wahabbi Sunni inspired flag. K, we can all laugh and say, he was a dummy because he didn't even know his own Shia faith, but I'm guessing he did and thought Aussies were the bigger problem.
I remember reports saying the nutter wanted the flag to burn it...But anyway have you missed what is happening in Syria and Iraq?
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Old 12-19-2014, 05:11 AM   #5
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I remember reports saying the nutter wanted the flag to burn it...But anyway have you missed what is happening in Syria and Iraq?
Other than that ISIS is winning, what about it?
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Other than that ISIS is winning, what about it?
How is Isis winning, Assad has kept them at bay for awhile now and even Kurds are pushing them back?
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Other than that ISIS is winning, what about it?
IS are on their back foot, the tide is turning.
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Of course it's not going to be the downfall of Islam, even the murder of those Pakistani kids won't dent the zealousness of the followers...but, Islam is divided by sects, so those not in the particular sect committing an atrocity will cry and weep, those in the same sect will say it's gods will.
You forgot to add rinse and repeat.

I think as a religion Islam is still immature, adolescent as it were. Like Christianity when it was only 1500 years old. It will be rent by internal conflict until it outgrows the teenage shit fits.
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You forgot to add rinse and repeat.

I think as a religion Islam is still immature, adolescent as it were. Like Christianity when it was only 1500 years old. It will be rent by internal conflict until it outgrows the teenage shit fits.
modern Islam has a lot of similarities to Reformation Era Christianity. It's uncanny how much crazy Islam is like Calvinism and puritanism. I'll hold off on saying that Islam is going to go through an Enlightenment phase though because I see no indication of that. Anyway, the Enlightenment wasn't as Enlightened as most think it was since it took atrocities to a whole new level of scientific barbarism. Protestants like to think of the Enlightenment as a miraculous age of reason but that age of "reason" also gave the world race based chattel slavery, oppressive colonialism and global exploitation of undeveloped people's and cultures. Nothing was quite so genocidal as Enlightened Europe.
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Old 12-16-2014, 11:12 PM   #10
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Dont worry AQ, Pashtunwali is more powerful than Islam.
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