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Old 10-22-2016, 02:25 AM   #31
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Old 10-22-2016, 02:31 AM   #32
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He far outdid my worse expectations. He was perfectly positioned to improve race relations, and he does his bit to make things worse (criticizing law enforcement and praising BLM...if I had a son he would be like Trayvon Martin...etc.). He adds more to the national debt than any previous President in history, shows disrespect to the national anthem, snubs important allies, and appoints corrupt officials and Muslim Brotherhood members to important positions.

And he blithely lied like a psychopath about keeping your plan if you liked your plan, keeping your doctor if you liked your doctor...and he knew he was lying while he lied.
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Old 10-22-2016, 04:46 AM   #33
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Old 10-22-2016, 08:39 AM   #34
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Overall I think Obama has been a negative influence on the USA and, by extension, on the western world. I too was taken in by his message of hope and change and so forth, but I have the excuse of only being 20 years old and still incredibly naive about how the world really works when he first got elected (I was too busy playing video games and pursuing women to properly pay attention to politics and world events).

And if I was that same naive 20 year old today I'd probably watch the headlines for 5 minutes on the BBC each morning and I'd probably think Obama has been great and that Hillary is the best choice for next president too.

But I'm not, and I've learned that mainstream news (BBC, Sky, Fox, CNN, etc.) are so full of shit that if you look closely you can see it erupting from every orifice, so to get a thoroughly accurate picture of what's going on you have to look at it from many different angles and have to observe the world as time passes by in general.

And Obama has sucked. On his watch the US has become a fucking warzone between black and white, colleges are teaching students that white people are all evil privileged devils who are still enslaving all non-white races, the rest of the world is taking one long perpetual dump on the west because we're weak (and our politicians seem to be enjoying it).

I dunno. 1000 years from now they'll probably be comparing Obama to Neville Chamberlain - doing a lot of talking but taking no real action as everything escalated around him, and everybody but him seemed to be able to see it.
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Old 10-22-2016, 11:30 AM   #35
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you realize he had a democrat majority house AND Senate for his whole first term right?

So easy to blame Republicans when they had absolutely no control to begin with

The democrats lost the house around 2011. Was it the house that fiddled with Obamacare so much it became the monster you hate (and were bound to always hate)?
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Old 10-22-2016, 12:04 PM   #36
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The democrats lost the house around 2011. Was it the house that fiddled with Obamacare so much it became the monster you hate (and were bound to always hate)?
Obamacare was passed around March of 2010. The midterm elections of 2010 were in November. The House switched hands when those elected Republicans took office in January of 2011.

It was the passage of Obamacare in 2010 that mostly drove the Tea Party to start putting up primary challengers to establishment Republicans.

The Republican House from 2011 until now, has not fiddled or messed with Obamacare at all, except for repealing a certain tax on medical device manufacturers.
The reason that has been the only modification is because
a)that particular tax was driving the entire medical device manufacturing sector out of business and patients were paying outrageous fees for common medical devices.
b) the repeal was bipartisan. In fact, the two senators who led the fight were from my state of Minnesota, Sen.Franken and Sen.Klobuchar and they did so because Minnesota, at one time before Obamcare, had the most thriving and advanced Medical health sector than any other state. Four of the world's most prestigous hospitals and research labs are in Minnesota. The Mayo in Rochester and Abbott in Minneapolis etc. Boston Scientific is also headquarterd and carries out most of it's operations in Minnesota. The entire medical industry was put into a whirlwind of uncertainty and it was paralyzed to act with that tax. oh, the fight to repeal the tax in the House was led by Rep.John Kline who is also from Minnesota but he is a Republican, not a Democrat.


Again, to re-iterate, No Republican voted for Obamacare. Obamacare actually had bipartisan opposition. It was solely and completely Democrats who voted for Obamacare. Not a single Republican suggestion, amendment, policy or platform item was included in Obamacare, not a single one. Obamacare is solely and completely an act written and passed entirely by Democrats.

No Republican, aside from the repeal of the medical device manufacturing tax, voted for anything in Obamacare. Republicans were completely cut out of the process. In fact, the Senate version and the House version were swabbed together using a process called the Reconciliation Process whereby committees resolve budgetary discrepancies between the House and Senate. Prior to Obamacare, the Reconciliation Process was only, ever and always used for just one purpose, that purpose it was created for - to basically compare the budget of a particular House Bill with the budget of a particular Senate Bill and iron out the line item differences only in regards to the actual dollar amounts. It have never, ever been used to actually push through the passage of anything at all. However, the Reconciliation Process was used to push through the final form of Obamacare in 2010 for the sole purpose of denying Sen.Scott Brown his 41st vote. If you recall, Ted Kennedy died while in office and so there was a special election in Massachusetts for Kennedy's seat. Scott Brown won on the campaign platform of using his vote to stop Obamacare. Democrats abused the reconciliation process two days later so that Sen.Brown would not have time to take the oath of office and be seated in the Senate and the Democrats did it so that Scott Brown would not use his 41st vote to stop the senate from accepting the House's version of Obamacare that was passed in 2010.

There has been absolutely no meddling of Obamacare by Republicans at all. Although Republicans hold the House and Senate, they are not held by wide enough margins to stop an Obama veto. Therefore, there is nothing legally that can be done by Republicans to stop, change, alter, modify or meddle with Obamacare. The only modification that has been made by Congress was the repeal of the medical device manufacturers tax. That fight was led by Democrats, not Republicans in the Senate and it started in the Senate. John Kline was the Republican who led it in the house.
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Old 10-24-2016, 07:41 PM   #38
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Well it seems less than 10% of our LL community that felt like voting thinks Obama's presidency was a success. Just had him fly over on his way to a fund raising event. Two Helicopters and three Osprey. Made me wonder how much we tax payers are spend so Obama can raise Money for Hillary. I guess that's called redistribution of wealth...
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Obamacare was passed around March of 2010. The midterm elections of 2010 were in November. The House switched hands when those elected Republicans took office in January of 2011.

It was the passage of Obamacare in 2010 that mostly drove the Tea Party to start putting up primary challengers to establishment Republicans.

The Republican House from 2011 until now, has not fiddled or messed with Obamacare at all, except for repealing a certain tax on medical device manufacturers.
The reason that has been the only modification is because
a)that particular tax was driving the entire medical device manufacturing sector out of business and patients were paying outrageous fees for common medical devices.
b) the repeal was bipartisan. In fact, the two senators who led the fight were from my state of Minnesota, Sen.Franken and Sen.Klobuchar and they did so because Minnesota, at one time before Obamcare, had the most thriving and advanced Medical health sector than any other state. Four of the world's most prestigous hospitals and research labs are in Minnesota. The Mayo in Rochester and Abbott in Minneapolis etc. Boston Scientific is also headquarterd and carries out most of it's operations in Minnesota. The entire medical industry was put into a whirlwind of uncertainty and it was paralyzed to act with that tax. oh, the fight to repeal the tax in the House was led by Rep.John Kline who is also from Minnesota but he is a Republican, not a Democrat.


Again, to re-iterate, No Republican voted for Obamacare. Obamacare actually had bipartisan opposition. It was solely and completely Democrats who voted for Obamacare. Not a single Republican suggestion, amendment, policy or platform item was included in Obamacare, not a single one. Obamacare is solely and completely an act written and passed entirely by Democrats.

No Republican, aside from the repeal of the medical device manufacturing tax, voted for anything in Obamacare. Republicans were completely cut out of the process. In fact, the Senate version and the House version were swabbed together using a process called the Reconciliation Process whereby committees resolve budgetary discrepancies between the House and Senate. Prior to Obamacare, the Reconciliation Process was only, ever and always used for just one purpose, that purpose it was created for - to basically compare the budget of a particular House Bill with the budget of a particular Senate Bill and iron out the line item differences only in regards to the actual dollar amounts. It have never, ever been used to actually push through the passage of anything at all. However, the Reconciliation Process was used to push through the final form of Obamacare in 2010 for the sole purpose of denying Sen.Scott Brown his 41st vote. If you recall, Ted Kennedy died while in office and so there was a special election in Massachusetts for Kennedy's seat. Scott Brown won on the campaign platform of using his vote to stop Obamacare. Democrats abused the reconciliation process two days later so that Sen.Brown would not have time to take the oath of office and be seated in the Senate and the Democrats did it so that Scott Brown would not use his 41st vote to stop the senate from accepting the House's version of Obamacare that was passed in 2010.

There has been absolutely no meddling of Obamacare by Republicans at all. Although Republicans hold the House and Senate, they are not held by wide enough margins to stop an Obama veto. Therefore, there is nothing legally that can be done by Republicans to stop, change, alter, modify or meddle with Obamacare. The only modification that has been made by Congress was the repeal of the medical device manufacturers tax. That fight was led by Democrats, not Republicans in the Senate and it started in the Senate. John Kline was the Republican who led it in the house.
^^^^ there YA GO, a better and more detailed answer than I could probably ever give.

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Old 10-24-2016, 08:10 PM   #40
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One of the greatest presidents. Got a lot done. Even without the do-nothing republicans in congress.

Trumps campaign is admitting they're losing....bad.
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