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Old 04-06-2012, 11:56 PM   #51
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The US gave Saddam the green light to go into Kuwait.
I dont believe this. And all the 'evidence' to support such a theory is conjectural at best, verging on conspiracy theory.

Nobody MADE saddam invade kuwait. He gave the order, Puppet or not.
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:06 AM   #52
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I dont believe this. And all the 'evidence' to support such a theory is conjectural at best, verging on conspiracy theory.
LOL. This is incredible. It's public knowledge, it was out in the open even before the Wikileaks release, it was denounced in Congress by Ron Paul, etc. And you dismiss it as a conspiracy theory? Seriously the more you post the more obvious it is you are totally clueless about this conflict. How's that possible? Weren't you in the military during that time? One would think you would be the first one to be interested in learning at least the basics of this conflict! And yet, even now that you have easy access to that information you seem to be totally oblivious to it. On the other hand I guess it makes perfect sense.
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Old 04-07-2012, 01:25 AM   #53
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No American or British or Australian should have died for Iraqi scum.
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:52 PM   #54
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LOL. This is incredible. It's public knowledge, it was out in the open even before the Wikileaks release, it was denounced in Congress by Ron Paul, etc. And you dismiss it as a conspiracy theory? Seriously the more you post the more obvious it is you are totally clueless about this conflict. How's that possible? Weren't you in the military during that time? One would think you would be the first one to be interested in learning at least the basics of this conflict! And yet, even now that you have easy access to that information you seem to be totally oblivious to it. On the other hand I guess it makes perfect sense.
Its that obvious, you couldnt backup what you said..

btw this isnt about me or my credibility. Its just my opinion. Your veiled criticism adds a sour undertone to your reply which is a shame.

Now show everybody the one piece of dammning info that gave iraq the green light to invade to kuwait. Not a paper trail of jigsaw pieces, but the info thats got the US saying "sure saddam go invade kuwait". And try and avoid personal attacks whilst doing so, thanks.
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Old 04-07-2012, 01:19 PM   #55
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Its that obvious, you couldnt backup what you said..

btw this isnt about me or my credibility. Its just my opinion. Your veiled criticism adds a sour undertone to your reply which is a shame.

Now show everybody the one piece of dammning info that gave iraq the green light to invade to kuwait. Not a paper trail of jigsaw pieces, but the info thats got the US saying "sure saddam go invade kuwait". And try and avoid personal attacks whilst doing so, thanks.
*yawn* honestly you're not only totally clueless about it but you're going out of your way to remain clueless about it. A simple google search too difficult for ya? Discussing these issues with people like you is such a waste of time, it's like you're proudly ignorant of your ignorance.





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Old 04-07-2012, 02:13 PM   #56
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The President's speech to the UN on September 12, 2002, laying out the considered case that it was time to face the Iraqi tyrant, too, with this choice, was easily the best speech of his two-term tenure and by far the most misunderstood.

That speech is widely and wrongly believed to have focused on only two aspects of the problem, namely the refusal of Saddam's regime to come into compliance on the resolutions concerning weapons of mass destruction and the involvement of the Baathists with a whole nexus of nihilist and Islamist terror groups.

Baghdad's outrageous flouting of the resolutions on compliance (if not necessarily the maintenance of blatant, as opposed to latent, WMD capacity) remains a huge and easily demonstrable breach of international law. The role of Baathist Iraq in forwarding and aiding the merchants of suicide terror actually proves to be deeper and worse, on the latest professional estimate, than most people had believed or than the Bush administration had suggested.

This is all overshadowed by the unarguable hash that was made of the intervention itself.
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Baghdad's outrageous flouting of the resolutions on compliance (if not necessarily the maintenance of blatant, as opposed to latent, WMD capacity) remains a huge and easily demonstrable breach of international law.

The role of Baathist Iraq in forwarding and aiding the merchants of suicide terror actually proves to be deeper and worse, on the latest professional estimate, than most people had believed or than the Bush administration had suggested.


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"We were already deeply involved in the life-and-death struggle of that country, and March 2003 happens to mark the only time that we ever decided to intervene, after a protracted and open public debate, on the right side and for the right reasons," Hitchens wrote. "This must, and still does, count for something."
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Whose intelligence was at fault in Iraq?
The movie traces the source of bogus WMD claims to a single source—an Iraqi general who secretly worked with civilian staff at the Bush-era Pentagon. Of course, this source is given a code name, which along with damning details about WMD, is promptly leaked to a prominent U.S. newspaper in the movie. But in reality, U.S. intelligence was not the primary source for the argument that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction—the CIA was largely the conduit for intelligence coming out of the United Nations.

In the authoritative book Cobra II: The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq, authors Michael Gordon (a New York Times reporter) and retired Marine Corps Gen. Bernard Trainor state that the CIA—the agency that is supposed to tackle such questions—was not heavily involved in finding Iraqi WMD. "The CIA had become so used to relying on the U.N. for reporting on WMD that it was accustomed to doing without spies in Iraq's weapons programs," the authors assert. After Saddam Hussein kicked out the inspectors in 1998, the CIA "was forced to develop its assessments based on satellite photographs, the occasional defector and extrapolation from past experiences. As the quality of the information declined, its fears grew." Conspiracy hunters take note: All of this occurred during the Clinton administration.

In the real story, international intelligence agencies were not much help, either. German agents interviewed a defector—code named Curve Ball—who claimed Saddam had created mobile labs to cook up biological weapons. By 2000, the Clinton White House and nearly all national intelligence agencies assumed that Iraq had WMDs; one estimate released during Clinton's last year in office claimed a stockpile of 100 tons of mustard gas and sarin nerve agents. The Bush administration, assured by the CIA that weapons would be found, did not pursue an updated view or the corroboration of Iraqi WMD. No one can argue that placing such a flimsy rationale at the center of a war debate was anything but reckless—but the movie posits premeditated tampering, not a lack of wisdom, from the Bush administration.

As for the Defense Department, its pre-invasion military intelligence was well-focused on air defense systems, at that time aiming at U.S. warplanes patrolling the no-fly zone. It deserves mention that the movie's take on the CIA, personified by a character played by Brendan Gleeson, is that the organization was shrewd and had made sharp observations. The truth is the opposite; the CIA was dependent on United Nations to collect intelligence on WMD.

It's also worth pointing out that many of Saddam Hussien's generals were convinced that his regime was holding weapons of mass destruction. Of course, he had an active weapons program, and used them on his own people as well as the Iranian military. But that program ended in the 1990s. Afterward, Saddam relied on a policyof "deterrence by doubt" that was crafted to keep international foes and Iraqis alike guessing. Only his sons and a few aides knew the truth, and when he told his generals in December 2002 that there was no WMD stockpiles held in reserve to repel an invasion, the morale among his commanders plummeted, according to Cobra II. Saddam never allowed U.N. arms inspectors to interview scientists who could have testified that work had been halted, and Iraq's declarations to the U.N. describing destroyed toxins and agents was filled with flaws. By the time Saddam ordered the sites where weapons were once manufactured scrubbed clean of evidence, at the end of 2002, it was too late. His deterrence strategy backfired.
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"The CIA had become so used to relying on the U.N. for reporting on WMD that it was accustomed to doing without spies in Iraq's weapons programs," the authors assert. After Saddam Hussein kicked out the inspectors in 1998, the CIA "was forced to develop its assessments based on satellite photographs, the occasional defector and extrapolation from past experiences. As the quality of the information declined, its fears grew." Conspiracy hunters take note: All of this occurred during the Clinton administration.
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Old 04-07-2012, 03:34 PM   #57
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Here we go with the we love Iraqis so muh that we'll remove the dictator bsline again. You seriously believe this shit?

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So we used an enemy to attack another enemy (it was strategic), big deal. Like Mom said, Saddam had killed hundreds of thousands, invaded Kuwait, used WMD's ect.. He had to go.

A world without Saddam is a better world, in particular for that region.
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Old 04-07-2012, 04:42 PM   #58
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But isn't the lie,the "yellowcake",manufactured by Valerie Plame and her husband?In that respect,they were successful.
Yeah should be common knowledge to any non clown walking the earth.....ulterior motives and lies like a mother fucker, all over the place.....how to help now?
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Old 04-07-2012, 04:46 PM   #59
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God damn it Demon why do I read the first couple posts in a thread then call a bunch of people idiots only to get to the end of the thread having finally read some.......and you are in that group.....I'm not deleting this one lol. Damn dude what is wrong with you believing that garbage, like a blind half retarded monkey with downs syndrome can see that ish.....come on son!
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Old 04-07-2012, 04:49 PM   #60
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Moot point imo, he could of been taken out by special forces, why invade the country and set it back forty years, spend trillions and kill millions...what did you get for it? You could of gotten the same thing without a few of those with the first example.
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