Bullying is Bad

[Aquina1300]

I've been kind of thinking since the anti-bullying craze started sweeping the schools that it was politically motivated and directed at families that dissent from the politically correct viewpoint.

I think I have enough evidence indicating I'm right with the following incident.

In other words, I oppose the anti-bullying campaign now, not because I don't think a legitimate anti-bullying campaign is a good idea. I think it's something people of good will can unite behind. I oppose it because it's all about silencing people who think homosexuality is a disorder. It has nothing to do with actually stopping bullying but about trying to foist a certain belief system on kids about homosexuality.

As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant “pansy assed.”
The speaker was Dan Savage, founder of the “It Gets Better” project, an anti-bullying campaign that has reached more than 40 million viewers with contributors ranging from President Obama to Hollywood stars. Savage also writes a sex advice column called “Savage Love.”
Savage, and his husband, were also guests at the White House for President Obama’s 2011 LGBT Pride Month reception. He was also invited to a White House anti-bullying conference.

Savage was supposed to be delivering a speech about anti-bullying at the National High School Journalism Conference sponsored by the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association. But it turned into an episode of Christian-bashing.
Rick Tuttle, the journalism advisor for Sutter Union High School in California, was among several thousand people in the audience. He said they thought the speech was one thing – but it turned into something else.
“I thought this would be about anti-bullying,” Tuttle told Fox news. “It turned into a pointed attack on Christian beliefs.”

Tuttle said a number of his students were offended by Savage’s remarks – and some decided to leave the auditorium.
“It became hostile,” he said. “It felt hostile as we were sitting in the audience – especially towards Christians who espouse beliefs that he was literally taking on.”
Tuttle said the speech was laced with vulgarities and “sexual innuendo not appropriate for this age group.” At one point, he said Savage told the teenagers about how good his partner looked in a speedo.
The conservative website CitizenLink was the first to report about the controversy. They interviewed a 17-year-old girl who was one of students who walked out of the auditorium.
“The first thing he told the audience was, ‘I hope you’re all using birth control,’” she told CitizenLink. “he said there are people using the Bible as an excuse for gay bullying, because it says in Leviticus and Romans that being gay is wrong. Right after that, he said we can ignore all the (expletive deleted) in the Bible.”
As the teenagers were walking out, Tuttle said that Savage heckled them and called them pansy-assed.
“You can tell the Bible guys in the hall they can come back now because I’m done beating up the Bible,” Savage said as other students hollered and cheered. “It’s funny as someone who is on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible how pansy-assed people react when you push back.”
The executive director of the National Scholastic Press Association provided Fox News with joint statement from the Journalism Education Association that was sent to members – after a number of people complained about Savage’s remarks.
“We appreciate the level of thoughtfulness and deliberation regarding Dan Savage’s keynote address,” the NSPA wrote. “some audience members who felt hurt by his words and tone decided to leave in the middle of his speech, and to this, we want to make our point very clear: While as a journalist it’s important to be able to listen to speech that offends you, these students and advisers had simply reached their tolerance level for what they were willing to hear.”
The NSPA said they did not have a prior transcript of Savage’s speech and that wish “he had stayed more on target for the audience of teen journalists.” They also said it provided a “teachable moment” for students.
As for Savage’s attack on people of faith?
“While some of his earlier comments were so strongly worded that they shook some of our audience members, it is never the intent of JEA or NSPA to let students get hurt during their time at our conventions,” they wrote.
However, not once did the NSPA or the JEA offer any apologies to the students or faculty advisors or anyone else in attendance.
Savage did offer a sarcastic apology “if I hurt anyone’s feelings.”
“But I have a right to defend myself and to point out the hypocrisy of people who justify anti-gay bigotry by pointing to the Bible and insisting we must live by the code of Leviticus on this one issue and no other.”
Tuttle said that he “felt duped” by the event. “There were Christian schools who went to the conference. To have this happen was disappointing and shocking.”
The NSPA said they should have done a better job preparing schools for what to expect.
For his part, Tuttle said that he will definitely be more cautious about the speakers at future conventions.Tuttle related how Savage told students that for a number of years he was not allowed in schools. He told the students that because it’s gained national acceptance “he’s reveling in the fact that it’s basically a middle finger to all those teachers and administrators who wouldn’t let him have access to those students before.”
But for some of Tuttle’s students – they felt like the anti-bullying activist was in fact – the bully.

Source:
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...ian-teens.html

I think it's absurd to believe it's Christianity that is causing most people to not accept homosexuality as a normal alternative lifestyle. Most people in the USA are Christian so a majority of this or that will probably always be "Christian" at least for the next couple of generations. It's not that Christianity keeps most Americans from accepting homosexuality as the equivalent of heterosexuality, it's that most people the world over think homosexuality is weird and dare I say, perverse.

[GeorgeBush]

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

[MrsShrodingersBox]

So, when Muslims hate gays it's only because of their vile, backwards religion and has everything to do with the Qu'ran.

When Christians hate gays it's only because they have a healthy, mild aversion to homosexuality and it has nothing to do with the bible.

Doesn't make sense to me.

I'm pretty sure a lot of Christians hate gays because the bible tells them too, as well as because they have a culturally inclined disgust for homosexuality.

It also doesn't help the OP when the most vocal anti-gay groups have consistently been religious institutions who argue based on their religion. In America, they are primarily Christian. It's easier to go after groups than it is individuals. A campaign concerned with stopping homosexual hate in every individual isn't as practical as one which targets the most neurotic, loud and visible group of homo-hate in America: The bible thumpers.

[dad61]

My problem with the anti-bullying bullshit is that they also included a no tolerance to violence clause, when the best way to deal with a bully is to put his dick in the dirt, a tried and true method over a millennium.

Instead, they should teach the kids to put a bullies dick in the dirt, that's what I did with mine and my kids are just fine, in fact, it made them better people, protectors of the bullied.

You can only be bullied if you empower the bully, and that's exactly what they do with this anti-bullying bullshit, they use it to teach the kids to be protected rather than protect and be responsible for themselves.

[MrsShrodingersBox]

Originally Posted by dad61

My problem with the anti-bullying bullshit is that they also included a no tolerance to violence clause, when the best way to deal with a bully is to put his dick in the dirt, a tried and true method over a millennium.

Instead, they should teach the kids to put a bullies dick in the dirt, that's what I did with mine and my kids are just fine, in fact, it made them better people, protectors of the bullied.

You can only be bullied if you empower the bully, and that's exactly what they do with this anti-bullying bullshit, they use it to teach the kids to be protected rather than protect and be responsible for themselves.

Agreed

[gambino316]

Originally Posted by Aquina1300

I think it's absurd to believe it's Christianity that is causing most people to not accept homosexuality as a normal alternative lifestyle. Most people in the USA are Christian so a majority of this or that will probably always be "Christian" at least for the next couple of generations. It's not that Christianity keeps most Americans from accepting homosexuality as the equivalent of heterosexuality, it's that most people the world over think homosexuality is weird and dare I say, perverse.

This is where Religion effects culture and tradition.

Homosexuality is 'weird and perverse' because of centuries of Christian Culture. It's ingrained in our Society to believe it to be abnormal. Homosexuality has been taught to us as being taboo. Something strange and unnatural.

Homosexuality was not weird or perverse for the Greeks and Romans 2000 years ago. For them it was part of their culture and a norm.

Much like I find it incredibly weird and perverse to mutilate a child genitals. To me, that completely out perverts homosexuality. Yet, there are a billion Muslims and 20 million Jews across the world who see it as a basic, normal part of their life and society.

To us on the outside, we find that incredibly weird, strange and unnatural.

But it is quite clearly a Christian concept to consider Homosexuality to be 'wrong', and to actively fight against it and eradicate it from society.

[gerryowen]

I was never bullied and I wasn't the biggest kid either. However, when I saw bullying going on I didn't stop it. If I thouhgt it was bullying I didn't participate.
Of course, I didn't know what the word meant till after a few years in school.
I knew that I felt sorry for the kid that it was happening to but I can recall only a coupla times tellin' another kid to leave someone alone.
This is the problem, that most of us won't step in to stop it. As well as teaching kids not to bully, we should be teaching kids step up and stop it when they see it.


(there is no truth to the rumor that I wasn't bullied due to an incident with the class bunny in second grade, Mr. Ears was suicidal, he told me)

[dad61]

Originally Posted by gerryowen

I was never bullied and I wasn't the biggest kid either. However, when I saw bullying going on I didn't stop it. If I thouhgt it was bullying I didn't participate.
Of course, I didn't know what the word meant till after a few years in school.
I knew that I felt sorry for the kid that it was happening to but I can recall only a coupla times tellin' another kid to leave someone alone.
This is the problem, that most of us won't step in to stop it. As well as teaching kids not to bully, we should be teaching kids step up and stop it when they see it.


(there is no truth to the rumor that I wasn't bullied due to an incident with the class bunny in second grade, Mr. Ears was suicidal, he told me)

I think that's a bi product of teaching kids to not empower the bully in the first place, to put his/her dick in the dirt, at least it was in our case.

[Shizzah]

Originally Posted by dad61

My problem with the anti-bullying bullshit is that they also included a no tolerance to violence clause, when the best way to deal with a bully is to put his dick in the dirt, a tried and true method over a millennium.

Instead, they should teach the kids to put a bullies dick in the dirt, that's what I did with mine and my kids are just fine, in fact, it made them better people, protectors of the bullied.

You can only be bullied if you empower the bully, and that's exactly what they do with this anti-bullying bullshit, they use it to teach the kids to be protected rather than protect and be responsible for themselves.

Good point.

[Aquina1300]

I don't think being averse to homosexuality has anything to do with religion, whether Islamic or Christian. I think it has to do with the fact that homosexuality is weird.

But, please carry on thinking it's religion that makes human males not want to have intercourse with other human males for the most part.